Hello to all. My name is David and I'm a Seventh-day Adventist from Victorville, California - smack dab in the middle of the Mojave Desert.

I hope to enjoy many wonderful conversations about the true nature and character of God as He has revealed Himself in the pages of His Holy Word and by the Word of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Welcome David. I hope you will be encouraged and instructed as we take a look at what the Bible teaches.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Thanks! I pray that the feeling is mutual.

Hey Robert. Good to make your acquaintance.

It is apparent that some one this board doesn't like me very much in that many post that I have made have been deleted with no explanation. That's fairly dishonest if you think about it. Certainly not truthful when you think about it. If one is searching for the truth they shouldn't mind hearing all POV. Anyway, just so you know, if I respond to a post of yours in the future I will be PM'ing you my answer.

Also, it should be noted that the "subscription" section of the board keeps a record of all the threads anyone enters into, whether the posts in them have been deleted or not.

Hi David,

As explained to you all posts that you make outside of the SDA thread will be deleted. If that was not made clear to you then I am sorry for the confusion. Your posts are to be made in the SDA thread.

Yes, there is a copy of all threads made. Most have them sent to their email inbox. Only one of your posts was deleted by accident and I am trying to get that posted again (it was in the SDA section and should not have been deleted. I was trying to copy and move it to a private section for us to talk but since I had deleted posts you made in other threads the control panel was set to "delete" so it got deleted by mistake). Let me get that worked out.

As I have said on many occasions, I (we) are not trying to be mean to you. Since you are not a part of the Lord's Church I can not call you a brother or speak of you as being saved. This is not done to hurt your feelings or to make you mad or to give you the impression that I want to be mean to you. It would be wrong of me to talk with you as if you were part of the Body of Christ when I post and then speak behind your back and say that you are not part of the Lord's Church. So I am just being honest and telling you upfront that you are not in the Lord's Church and as such I can not address you as a brother or as one that is saved. It is not a SDA thing. All those in denominations are in error, not just the SDA.

So, please let me be clear and let everyone know, you have been asked to post in the SDA section and that section only. Why? Because when you go to the other threads you bring up more SDA error and then that entire thread gets off the topic. Thus, you need to stay in the SDA thread. If you post in other threads those posts will be deleted.
Secondly, No, I do not accept you as being a brother in Christ, nor the SDA as a part of the Lord's Church. Now, I say this so we can move the discussion to a point where I can teach you my friend how to be saved and how to be added to the Lord's Church by God himself. I am not mad at you, I do not hate you, I do not want you to "go away". Instead, I long for you to come to know the truth, be saved and added to the church of Christ and become my brother in Christ! That is why I have said on several occasions that you have come to the right site, you have found members of the New Testament church that are more than happy to help you come out of your error. Why? Because like God, we love every precious soul.

Now David, I know what I have said may come across as being "mean". I'm sorry about that. I do hope you will be willing to be taught so you can enjoy what others on this site and myself enjoy: Ephesians 1:3.

Kindly,
Donald

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Lee never mentioned that to me when he PM'd me last night about the SDA thread. Neither did you mention anything of the sort. That tells me you had something to hide which clearly isn't in keeping with this board's apparent stance for the truth.

You were deleting my posts without informing me you were doing so. That's the classic example of "deception."

You are full of deception Don.

Look Don you are the one here that is so scared of any views being uttered that may be slightly different that yours that you'll stoop to deleting threads without telling anyone what you are doing. I believe Lee when he says he had no idea what was going on. You? You've already shown your true colors.

Just like the Pharisees. Since you can't stop the truth you have to try and silence the truth.

That's not what Lee's PM said. Lee said I was free to post in the other sections as well. Face it Don, you got caught.

When you deleted my complimentary comments regarding David Hersey's rapture thread there was nothing promoting SDA doctrine there. I simply agreed with him.

You're full of half truths and misinformation Don. Sorry, but I read the whole Bible friend not just the parts I like.

Sure, I'm willing to be taught. Do you have anything other than half truths in your teaching?

Lee was wrong. Sorry for the confusion. You are not free to post on other threads. Why has been explained to you as has the events surrounding it. You can call me a liar all day long and it will not change the fact that you will not be allowed to post on other threads.

Kindly,
Don


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I am sorry to hear that you refuse to be taught the truth of God's word (John 17:17).

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

The bolded part is false! I did not say you were free to post anywhere. In fact I thought I made myself clear when I formed the new thread to deal with SDA doctrine.

Don is not lying and was not being deceptive! All I am is a teacher on this site, I do not claim to run it nor claim to know everything that goes on. Don and Steven were engaging you in discussion and I had stayed out of it, not wanting to convolute the discussion.

I made a suggestion to move your posts to one area, therefore I felt like I should be the one to carry that out. Any problems with that fall on my shoulders. I told the other teachers and admins. that they should feel free to alter anything I had done in order to improve it.

We have been very accommodating to you so far. But if you are intentionally deceptive and overly confrontational you will be asked to leave. You are our guest here, and we want to share the Gospel with you, but we will not stand for insults and divisive tactics

Kindly,
Lee Parish

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John 6:67-68: "Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, 'Would ye also go away?' Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.'"

Actually that's true you didn't say I was free to post anywhere in the threads. Neither did you say that I wasn't. I just assumed that because you placed no restrictions on me I was free to post anywhere. Shall I post your PM to help clear the air?

He deleted my posts without informing me. That's deceptive.

And I thought that was quite admirable and told you so. But when I post something that has nothing to do with SDA doctrine and I am not told that it would be deleted that deception, pure and simple.

That's Lee, but I didn't deceive anyone nor have I become confrontational until confronted. If asked to leave that will only demonstrate your groups intolerance for views that are contrary to what you believe is truth. I have clearly demonstrated that your group teaches and believes the same "half truths" that other Christian groups and denominations believe.

Rejected those truths is the equivalent of putting your fingers in you ears and saying, loudly, "La-la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you!"

So you admit that you lied?

Which is it?

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John 6:67-68: "Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, 'Would ye also go away?' Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.'"

Perhaps you did not read the rules. Let me post one of the rules for you:

Answers to all Scriptural/Biblical questions that are posted in the forums are to be answered by qualified individuals only and by those who are members of the Lord's church. If we see an answer that we believe is in disagreement to the Bible, we reserve the right to edit and/or delete the post without notice to the original poster.

I will be happy to accept your apology anytime you wish to offer it.

Kindly,
Donald

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

I misspoke. Should I post your PM to show you misspoke as well?

You never said I couldn't post in any of the other threads did you?

I clearly said please confine your discussions to this one thread.

These are the pm's that I sent to you

October 8, 2008 11:07 PM

October 9, 2008 1:30 PM

The only thing it appears we (the site admins and teachers) are guilty of, is a failure to properly communicate between ourselves. No deception, no division. Your act will not fly here.

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John 6:67-68: "Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, 'Would ye also go away?' Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.'"

So how does complementing someone on the content of their post and agreement with it or making a general comment regarding what someone posted about a Hindu goddess fall within the framework this rule? Answer: it doesn't.

therefore, unfortunately no apology will be forthcoming. You removed "general" and "non-biblical" related comments on my part just out of spite and because you don't like me. Very Christian.

You sent two PM's to me Lee. In neither post did you ask me to restrict my comments to one thread. God is the witness. He knows.


Notice that I didn't include any "moderator edits" remarks from the PM's you sent me? You know why Lee? They aren't there.

Apparently you are not understanding. The "moderator edit" came from the first post of the thread I created http://www.bibletruthforums.com/deno....html#post7647. They were not on the Private messages. I did not claim that they were. I posted the PM's intact and unaltered.

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John 6:67-68: "Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, 'Would ye also go away?' Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.'"

I have been quite candid and forthright. Your accusations have no foundation. Your attempts to sway anyone on this board will come up empty. In fact you are making yourself look dishonest.

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John 6:67-68: "Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, 'Would ye also go away?' Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.'"

So then you admit you never told me I couldn't post on the other threads. Thank you. That's all I was looking for. Carry on.

Too bad your post attempted to convey something else. BTW I got you PM well before discovering that you created a separate post for SDA discussion and if you look at it carefully it seems to indicate that SDA discussion is confined to that area. It doesn't anything about not posting in any other threads.

I guess that's why they are called opinions.