http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/...Q5H9C_gvouQE4F

Father whacks daughter's boyfriend when he finds him nude in her room, chases him out of the house and gets arrested. I truly don't understand this.

Unbelievable

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I wonder how old the daughter and her boyfriend are. I did not see that in the article.
I feel bad for that dad.

Regardless of their ages, they are not married. (Matthew 19:4-6). We are to become one flesh in marriage. It is in this relationship that sex finds its expression and not as this couple was doing.

Kindly,
Don

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Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

I can see it now....the people gathered around Jesus demanding that the stones be thrown!!

Haven't you read this in the Bible? The adulteress woman caught in the very act and how everyone wanted to see her punished...even to death? Thankfully, Jesus has a better way....love and forgiveness! He did tell her to go and sin no more, and we can't even begin to know the impact that act of grace and mercy made in her life. I don't think that the daughter needs therapy....she needs the love of God.

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GW,

We're all for showing this girl with love. Were she mine, she'd know what a belt feels like and possibly a slap or two and then she'd get a big ol' bear hug and she'd be told how much she was loved and valued. That's kinda the way God does us.

As for the boy, I'd whack him with all I had for dishonoring not only my daughter but my home. He'd be very fortunate that I didn't shoot him before I realized he was not a burglar or rapist. He takes his life in his own hands doing that in someone's home. That's not very swift on his part.

Whatever happened to the castle rule? My home is my castle and if it's invaded, somebody's gonna be treated like an invader until I am certain the danger has passed.

The linked article says she is a teenager. I would think she is too old to 'spank' but definitely needs disciplined.
But I am wondering, where is her mother? I don't think she was mentioned. And why did he/they not know something was going on in the girl's bedroom? The article says it had been going on for a lengthy time.
If there is no mother in the house, I wonder where the girl is now.
I wonder if the father is hard of hearing.

It is a very disgusting situation. I hope the girl gets the needed treatment, and I hope she is not pregnant.

I am with brother Joe. How dare they behave in such a way in her parent's home !

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http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...AD02091208.htm

Here's more on the story. I am totally baffled that the boy is made to look like the victim. Not even a hint that he might have been wrong. And the boy's father gets the opportunity to consider charges against the other father.

In Arkansas, the boy would be charged with residential burglary at the least.

The law does not permit the assault on the boy that took place here. The fact of the father's outrage does not change that. Even where things like this go unpunished, it is only because the the authorities decline to enforce the law as it stands.

As Christians we are to submit to the secular authority where it does not require us to disobey God. God does not require us to beat up the boyfriend that is trying (with however much success) to seduce our daughter. "We gave no such command." Therefore, the secular law must prevail.

John,

From studying Florida law on a website, it appears you are correct. The real problem is that he whacked the boy outside instead of inside (defending the home).

I have zero sympathies for the boy and hope the pain lingers for a good while to serve as a reminder that he was in the wrong morally.

Some observations:

1. The father was surprised and well should have chased the boy.

2. We don't know what the boy may have said to the father. Did he mock him? This makes one wonder if the father could get off or just receive no sentence based on the fact that not many men would have let the boy just quietly go.

3. Secular law must be adhered to; however, the element of surprise and righteous indignation causes us to be temporarily ignorant of the laws (such as Moses killing the Egyptian). However, we are still accountable.

It is a regrettable situation in all ways, but I'd never convict the man of anything in this case--except maybe for being a poor (or ignorant) father.

Good thing he wasn't in some states where the "Make my day" law is.

The father could have hedl the boy until police arrived...but I do know how emotions can come into play. It really is a sad situation for all.

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If I was thinking right, I think I would have held the boy at gunpoint until the police arrived. Then the only charges would be on the boy for probably curfew violations and being in my home without my permission, (I can't see how a juvenile can consent at 4am for entrance to a residence). Sexual charges couldn't be filed due to the ages, but I think between my cop buddies we could probably make the fellow look over his shoulder for badges for a long, long time.

In Texas, the boy would probably be dead. Most people that heard noises in the house at 3 AM would have investigated with a gun in hand. The boy is most fortunate.

The boy's father should share some of the blame in this case. Why is the boy out and about at this time of the morning? It is hard for me to believe that the girl's father had no idea of what was going on since the time period is 18 months. The girl would have been 13 1/2 years old when it started and I believe it would be hard to ignore a daughter for that long.

Regardless, everyone involved is at fault to some degree and all will have to answer to a higher authority than the local law. A lot of teaching, praying, admonishing, and love needs to transpire before this "mess" is ever straightened out.

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None of this incident would have happened if the parents set down rules where no boys are to be left alone in the house, let alone in the girls bedroom with out adult supervision. That is the way I raised my daughter. She might not of liked us at the time, but she loves us for it today, and she is raising three daughters of her own, so may be the rule we had will help her to decide the proper way to handle the situation when the time arrives.

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Let us remember one thing...even if the parents set the rules and do the right teaching...it CAN still happen. But that is why we have Go to pray to and rely on for help when raising our children.

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Yes indeed, We must pray and put it in gods hands. It is a tough task raising children in todays society.

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Mak

With God all things a re possible. It is certainly hard to raise a child in these days...it was probably just as hard in any day as well. But if we instill in them te core values...those things will always be there and they will know what is right and wrong.

I've seen in some real children when faced with doing what they want and along with pressure from friends the "hesistation look"...that is the core values that is working against the worldly values. Of course we can only do so much and after we have done all we can do, let us let God take over.

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You can set down all the rules you want. Core values are great......Peer pressure is greater.
If it was as easy as saying don't do that.......what a wonderful world it would be.
There are too many things our kids are exposed to at a very early age.
Yes, peer pressure can be a tough one.
We do need to set down rules and set values for our children.
We need to set an example by our actions.
Most of all we need to pray non stop for God's guidance raising kids.

As the parents of three children, my wife and I have learned that you have to start teaching them right from wrong at a very young age. bringing the Bible into their life will offer them instruction above and beyond the "wisdom" we have as parents (2 Timothy 3:16).

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Some people think that the bad things kids do is because they are born in sin.

Can babies and kids be held responsible for their sin and thus in need of the cleansing of blood of Christ?

Any thoughts?

Only if you think that being made in the image of God includes sin.

Fine question Brother Steven.

Obedience to the Gospel Plan of Salvation requires that one be able to understand it and be obedient to it. Thus, we know that in the case of babies and small Children they are not able to. The plan of salvation itself teaches us this.

Hear the words of Christ: Romans 10:17 (Can a baby be obedient to this?)
Believe the word of God: Mark 16:16 (can a baby be obedient to this?)
Repent of our sins: Acts 2:38, Luke 13:3 (Can a baby be obedient to this?)
Confess Jesus Christ as Lord: Matthew 10:32-33 (Can a baby be obedient to this?)
Be Baptized in water for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:38, John 3:5 (Can a baby be obedient to this?)

When taken as a whole, if a baby were born with sin they are without hope because they are not able to do what scripture calls upon us to do.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org