Why I morally cannot vote for Obama/Biden

[Bill Medart]

If last night's debate is an example of McCain's "expertise", he is in for a long night come November. I was truly disappointed in his presentations. Obama, being the smooth talker that he is, said all the "right" things and appeared very confident. I pray that enough Americans look at his moral standing and see him for what he really is.

[Don Gelles]

I just got the sample ballot for Texas. There will be three choices for president on the ballot and 7 write in candidates to choose from. So there will be a total of 10 choices.

McCain/Palin
Obama/Biden
Barr/Root Libertarian
Allen/Stath Indep.
Baldwin/Castle Constitutional
Hill/Bailey Madisonian
Keys/Sprouce Indep.
McKinney/Clements Green
Moore/Alexander Socialist
Nader/Gonzalez Indep.

Now.... which one... hmmmmmmmmmm

[Lee Parish]

Socialist! Go for the Socialist! Oops there appear to be at least four choices that fit the socialist group. Choices, choices.

[Steven Rasberry]

How about a Palin/Rice ticket in four?

[D. White]

Just remember that God is the TRUE One that is in control and NO ONE will be allowed to be president without God allowing that person to be in office...period! I will pray, cast my vote, and pray again.

Also, knowing that we have two other governing bodies that can keep the president in check...

[Marianinark]

Originally Posted by D. White

Just remember that God is the TRUE One that is in control and NO ONE will be allowed to be president without God allowing that person to be in office...period! I will pray, cast my vote, and pray again.

Also, knowing that we have two other governing bodies that can keep the president in check...

My sentiments exactly!

[jbattersby]

Originally Posted by D. White

Just remember that God is the TRUE One that is in control and NO ONE will be allowed to be president without God allowing that person to be in office...period! I will pray, cast my vote, and pray again.

im here to strengthen my religion as i have only just turned myself over to god, so sorry if i sound like i don't have superior knowledge in the bible, but i thought god gave us free will, and has no control over humans...so how could he control who is in the precidency? and the only other way he can possibly change who is voted in without using mind control which is not possible because of freewill is vote rigging.

[Lee Parish]

Originally Posted by jbattersby

im here to strengthen my religion as i have only just turned myself over to god, so sorry if i sound like i don't have superior knowledge in the bible, but i thought god gave us free will, and has no control over humans...so how could he control who is in the precidency? and the only other way he can possibly change who is voted in without using mind control which is not possible because of freewill is vote rigging.

You do raise some valid points. We do have freewill, that freewill allows for choices and decisions. Those decisions result in consequences that we must bear. God cannot force us to move a certain way or say a certain thing, to do so would violate our freewill, and what loving all-knowing God would do that?

It would be unwise for me to think I know how God operates in such ways.
Isaiah 58:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Add to that Job 38, and it is clear that our knowledge is limited.

What we do know is that government is ordained of God. We also know that God will use all things to bring about His will. Add to that the calm assurance that "All things work together for good, to them that love God.." Romans 8:28

If this country wants Obama, then Obama will be our president. If this country wants McCain we will get McCain. I do worry about our moral degradation. Such has led to the downfall of countries much like the one we live in now.

[CreamyYoghurt]

Hi,

I am new on the forum, and because of this would like to just give a quick hello to everyone

I have been reading through the posts about abortions, especially this one:

Originally Posted by Marianinark

The only consolation is ...innocent souls will go to be with God. All the ungodly adult's souls will not. I wish we could convert them all, but that will never happen either. We can only do the best we can, and try to reach as many as we can. We have never had a truely Christian government, and we never will..on this earth.

I was just wondering about everyones stance on original sin, and how it would effect the helpless unborn lives that could be damned without having the chance to wipe their sin. I was feeling very distressed after being reminded of the horrors of abortion, and thought it would be best to ask fellow brothers and sisters for guidance.

Thanks in advance,

Creamy!

[BVidlar]

Originally Posted by CreamyYoghurt

Hi,

I am new on the forum, and because of this would like to just give a quick hello to everyone

I have been reading through the posts about abortions, especially this one:



I was just wondering about everyones stance on original sin, and how it would effect the helpless unborn lives that could be damned without having the chance to wipe their sin. I was feeling very distressed after being reminded of the horrors of abortion, and thought it would be best to ask fellow brothers and sisters for guidance.

Thanks in advance,

Creamy!

Maybe your question originates from (Romans 5:12) where Paul says, “Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed to all men, for all have sinned.” As a result, some believe that we somehow have inherited Adam’s sin. This is an untrue statement; what we inherited from Adam’s sin is a sin-filled world. God makes it clear that, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son SHALL NOT bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son” (Ezek. 18:20). So since Adam is yours and my great, great, etc, grandfather, I am not responsible for Adam’s sin neither is he responsible for my sins. “…each one of us shall give an account of HIMSELF to God (Rom. 14:12). Hence, there is no such thing as original or inherited sin.

PS. Thanks for your question and welcome to the forum!

[D. White]

Originally Posted by CreamyYoghurt

I was just wondering about everyones stance on original sin, and how it would effect the helpless unborn lives that could be damned without having the chance to wipe their sin. I was feeling very distressed after being reminded of the horrors of abortion, and thought it would be best to ask fellow brothers and sisters for guidance.

We won't give you "our" stance but we will give you God's stance. And since BVidlar has done so...let me say this:

BOTH men have done wrong and will continue to do wrong. Whether one is for abortion and one isn't, there are many things that are also wrong for one while the other does right. Only God will allow the one He wants in office and maybe, just maybe if we really trust Him (like we should), we will bend to his will as will the next president of the US. As the Bible says to pray for our leaders, let us not just say who has sinned and who hasn't...but rather pray, vote, and give thanks that God will let us have a leader that will do the right thing and guide thier mind.

Lastly, just becauase a president approves of something or has done something wrong in the sight of God, when have we not? But realize this...the more important vote is that for the Congress as they make the laws and regulations that we see everyday. Make sure you study theem harder than the president!

[Marianinark]

Yes, brother White. Thank God we do not have a dictatorship! The President may try to get his wishes passed, but they have to be approved by the Congress.

[Marianinark]

I have another thought....perhaps Obama will be the instrument God will use to bring about the end of this world?? Just as He used Judah in the condemning and crucifixion of Jesus.....
There is an ad on TV going around that predicts a terrible worldwide disaster if he gets in.
Who knows how God will work in this situation, but we know it will be what is right.

[D. White]

It is only man that causes the worldwide disasters...thank God that we are not in control of the weather or air.

[BrotherRicky]

Brother Steven,
I think that this is a strong representation of the supporters of Obama
http://www.trueobamafacts.com/

Most of the topics here are good, but the Secret of the tax plan revealed is really good.

This shows how many of his supporters are unaware of Barak's plans and how he targets young people (why else would he be for abortion?)

Not only that, he also promises that 100 community hours will be rewarded with $4,000 in tuition, and promises college for those who commit to be a teacher. And he plans to raise the salaries of teachers, how can he do that? And I think it is immoral to target the young generation that do not understand politics and policies as well as older more informed people do.

[Lee Parish]

I will be glad when the election is over. Too many lies and half-truths (same as a lie by the way) thrown out. Too much divisiveness, too many empty promises. The problem really is that this election is too important. Really if this country was governed as intended, most political power would lie in the local and state authorities. These are the ones you see most often, the ones most influenced by their electorate, they should have more power over your lives than Washington. Government has gotten too big.

I struggle with how much I should pay attention to such things. Part of me wants to really get involved and try to change things, the other part of me sees the corrupt system and thinks that Christians really have no business getting involved in that muck and mire.

So I press on, focusing on the spiritual. Christians are to be in the world not of the world and I am going to take that to heart. If we love God and place Him and the Kingdom of His dear Son first, things will work together for good!

Don't be discouraged, this country can have no more power over you than the Roman Empire, that I guarantee!

We would all do well to contemplate Matthew 10:28-31:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

[Steven Rasberry]

I agree brother Parish, good post. That is why I just tried to draw on the viewable or knowable things and stop there. Beyond that, who truly knows...God does...so I pray daily about this.

[D. White]

The thing is this...people say, "Look what he/she will do if he/she gets into office!"

Fact: You don't know what they will be able to do...period! If you don't pray about the leadership, then how can you expect God to be in the plan?

When we pray for our leaders, that does allow God to be in the equation.

[Don Gelles]

Did anyone hear who won the election?

Kindly,
Don

[Steven Rasberry]

I thought you did.

[D. White]

What? Is it over? I guess God put in office who He wanted to, didn't He?

And He always gets my "vote"...meaning God and not man!

[Don Gelles]

Originally Posted by Steven Rasberry

I thought you did.

As you new Admin - Elect, I promise to end poverty, to bring free DSL to everyone who wants it, to end the wars, bring peace to the Middle East and to raise the Cowboys out of last place and make them an NFL power once again.






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