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Old 05-08-07, 08:44 PM
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Lies of fallen angels

In the new testament we learn that the vineyard(earth) has been rented out to the farmers(angels). They were to make a world of their own. Some angels ruled Europe. But till 1000 years ago things weren't still going so well. So they decided to be bad. They went to the east and altered the genes of the people. They altered their eye gene. That was why Kahn went on conquest of the world. And the heavens punished them by sending the bubonic plague which killed more than 14 million people in Europe. Then the angels(fallen angels) retaliated by killing and torturing people which we know as the inquisition.
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Old 06-07-07, 10:50 AM
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Re: Lies of fallen angels

mazinga, what Scriptures do you offer to back up this information?
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Post The Seven Years Tribulation. END TIME

The Seventy-Weeks Prophecy
The problems of today will be buried by the sands of time.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Now as he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Matt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but my God the Father only.

Daniel 9: 20 - Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD and God for the holy mountain of my God, yes while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:

This is the Seven Years Tribulation
Seven Years of captivity
Seventy *weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city.
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

There are seven signs before Christ return.

One, Israel Restored as a nation. * Pass

Two, The reunification of Europe.* Pass

The Great Commission is Now!

Matthew 28:16-20; Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed Him; but some doubted. And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nation, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all truest that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age!!! Amen.”
ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO Christ Jesus!

II Thess. CH 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (The son of perdition is the son of Satan).
Matt. 24:4-5. Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

Matt. 24:36-39. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, but my father only. But as the days of Noe’s were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.

Romans 3: 20 - 26. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe; for there is no difference; For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be propitiation through faith in his blood, do declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. I quote again, in

Romans 3:24-26. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. The word past through, does not mean that God has not forgotten our sins. You must reamer, that Satan, it at war with Christ.
Read Matthew 13: How Satan taketh the word out of your heart, this the war in the churches, The Holy Spirit is in the churches to day until, Jesus gets all of his children, The Saints shall raised; We live in a world of material, what I can see, the unknown, is what I can’t see. The world of the miraculous! But the world of the miraculous is unknown, there are no laws or nature. Where there is no vision, the people will perish! John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth and truth shall make you free. Free from what, free from sin. I know! Jesus have set me free from my sin.

This is Next ? * THE RAPTURE * Soon Romans 8:18-19. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature, (saints) waited for the manisfestation of the son of God. After? The coming of the Anti -Christ?

Three, The coming of the Anti -Christ. Next.

He Comes Lilke Of angel Light, Transform into a Man! The Son of the perdition! They must see darkness before they Can see the Light.


Forth, The rebuilding of the temple of Israel.

Israel - Palestinian, peace Treaty for seven years, it will last for three and half years, only. But in the middle of the week (3 ½ years) He, (Satan) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” I Peter 4:17. For the time for Judgment have begin from the house of God, and if first from us what the end of then, that do not obey the Gospel of God.

In Leviticus 24: 8 - 17. And you shall count seven Sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years; and the time of seven Sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years. Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family. That fiftieth year shall be a Jubilee you; in its own accord, nor gather the grapes of your untended vine. For it is the Jubilee; it shall be holy to you; you shall eat its produce from the field. In this Year of Jubilee, each of you shall return to his possession. And if you sell anything to your neighbor or buy from your neighbor’s hand, you shall not oppress one anther. According to the number of years after the Jubilee you shall buy from your neighbor, and according to the number of years of crops he shall sell to you. According to the multitude of years you shall increase its price, and according to the fewer number of years you shall diminish its price; for he sells to you according to the number of the years of the crops. Therefore you shall not oppress one anther, but you shall fear your God; for I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 26: 1 - 43 ; We read in verse 18 - 24; And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven time more for your sins. I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make few in number; And if these things you are not reformed by Me, but walk contrary to Me, then I also will contrary to you , and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

Daniel 9: 25- 27. Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The *street shall be again, and the *wall, Even in troublesome times. And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, (Crucifixion of Christ) but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come ( The Antichrist ) Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; (Seven Years) But in the middle of the week ( 3 ½ years) He, (Satan) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the
consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”


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PART #2


Five , The rise of one world religion.
Matt. 6:33. And to take his mark. 666?
Before this signs comes, Christ comes for his body?

Mark 13:12 - 14, Now the brother shall betray the brother to death and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it not, (let him that readeth understand.) they let them that be in Judea , {Israel} flee to the mountains:
Anti -Christ.
Satan be revealed, the Son of the perdition; He come like of Angel of light.
Satan comes with His Gospel. Paul and False Apostles
II Corinthians 11: 4 - 15 . For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not have preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not receive, or different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put with it! For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have been thoroughly manifested among you in all things. Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. As the truth of God is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. Why? Because I do not love you? God knows! But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

II Thess. 6. And now ye know what withhold that he might be revealed in his time.

REV.22:10. And he saith unto me, seal not the saying of the prophecy of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

II Thess 2:10. Deceivableness of Unrighteousness in them perish: This is about the children of GOD did not come out of the Synagogues and Temples, because the received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

II Thess 2:11. And for this cause them strong delusion, that should believe a lie.
Christ will send Satan to send a strong delusion a lie!
Thus sayeth the Lord, come out of her my people, do not become partakers of her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues.

I Peter 4:17. For the time for Judgment have begin from the house of God, and if first from us what the end of then, that do not obey the Gospel of God.

Jeremiah 15:6. Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary of repenting.

Revelation 20: 3. Till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Satan is loosen for a little season to but Judgment on the house of God.
In Romans 1:24, 26, 28; God give them up to a Reprobate mind,


Hebrews 6:8. But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

I Corinthians 9:27. But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection; lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Thus sayeth the Lord, he will cast a net over the Synagogues and Temple, take the candlesticks, which is the spirit of God, out of the Synagogues and Temple and put them further into their dream. GOD sends a strong delusion that they should know a lie, a dream. Christ will send Satan to send a strong delusion a lie.!
(this means the people in the Synagogues, Temples and churches are in a perpetual sleep and not wake, a strong delusion, a lie.
The lie is Satan, Satan gospel!
Also thus sayeth the Lord, that I will gather them together, turn them into millstone and caste them into the Lake of fire, Hell. These are the children of Satan, TARES. For the children of GOD that do not come out, He will judge them individually. Every one will be judged one by one, no stone will be unturned.
Revelation CH 18:21 .And a mighty Angel took up the stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying thus with violence shall the great city, Babylon be thrown down and shall be found no more at all.
II THESSALONIANS; And GOD shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

Six, The invasion of Israel temple.

Satan sits in the seat of Gods temple, and calls him self God!
Matthew 24: 15; Therefore, when you see the abomination of; desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand),
Matthew 24: 16; then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matt. 10:23, But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son of man be come. But he shall endure unto the, the same shall be saved.

As we read in Daniel 11: 29 - 39. At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. For ships from *Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage. So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. And *forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days then shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify tem, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. Then the king, (Satan) shall do according to his above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the *God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act again the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the lad for gain.
Seven, The battle of Armageddon. Megiddo.
Luke 21:20. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, and then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

REVELATION 6:10 -12, And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth ? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The Northern King’s Satan Conquests

Daniel 12: 40 - 45. At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him;
(Satan shall exalt himself above all gods.) and the king of the North shall come against him, ( God the Father) like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; ( This the Future ) and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through He shall also enter the Glorious Land and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon,
( The Land of Palestine. Edom, Moab, and Ammon the traditional enemies of Israel, will not be invaded. Satan will then conquer Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia.) He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas
( The Sea, the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea.) and the glorious holy mountain; ( Mount Zion, the site of the temple.) yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.

Prophecy of the End Time
The end of Satan, and of Evil!

Matthew 24: 22; And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

Matthew 24: 24; Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will beshaken.

REVELATION 7:14 -15, And I said unto him, sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. This is Christ. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

II PETER 3:10,12, But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
REVELATION 6:12-17, And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks,
{This the Governments hiding from God, and people too,} Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


REV.6:3 - 4. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and sword.

Matt. 23:37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathered her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

I Thess. 2:15. Who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and have persecuted us, and they please not God, and are contrary to all me.

Matt. 23:39. (Israel.) O Jerusalem….I tell you, you will not see me again until you say. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Daniel 12: 1 - 8. At that time, (The end of time) Michael, (God ) shall stand up, The great prince who stand watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble. Even to the time.
( As never was sine there was a nation. This is The Great Tribulation period coming to an End )
And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. ( The Book of Life, God’s record of those who have been justified by faith.

(Read Ex.32:32; Ps. 68:28; Luck 10:20; Rev. 20:12.) And many of those who sleep in the dust pf the earth shall awake, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever. But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end;
( TODAY ) Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. And one said to the man clothed in linen, (Christ) who was above the waters of the river, “how long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?” Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My Lord, what shall be the end of these things?” And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, they shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty- five days. But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
Luke 21:25. And there shall be signs in the sun and in the moon, and in the stars and upon the earth distress of nations with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring. Men’s hearts failing them for fear and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth, for powers of heaven shall be shaken.

II Thess. CH 2:8. And them shall that wicked one, Satan be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming is after the working of Satan with all Power and Signs and lying Wonders.

Revelation CH 18:21 . And a mighty Angel took up the stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying thus with violence shall the great city, Babylon be thrown down and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation CH 20: opens with the Verses 1 to 3 which declare: And saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand year, and cast him, that he should deceive the nation no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosen a little Season. into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon.

In the beginning
The Great Tribulation!

Matthew 24: 15 - 28. Therefore, when you see the abomination of; desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. Then if anyone says to you, “Look here is the Christ!”, or “There!” do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, “Look, He is in the desert!” do not go out’; or “Look, He is in the inner rooms!” do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For whatever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

Matthew 24: 3 - 14. Now as he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered and said to them, “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ, and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
It will be the worst time in history.
The angel Michael ( Jesus Christ) will protect the Jews.
The faithful people will be delivered.
( Those Who Believe In Christ)
Some with robes made white in the blood of the Lamb.
(The Children of God)
Greatest tribulation known in the history of the world.
It will be ended before the entire 3 1/4 population is killed.

The War of MEGIDO. REV. 19:17-18
Hell Open. REV. 19:19-21
READ, Heb.4:12; Eph. 6:17; Isa.11:4.

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Whoa... TheWordIsOne... you have taken quite a large amount of Scripture totally out of context. You are making quite a few claims in your assumptions that are completely from man, not the Bible.

I know some of our guys here can explain this in much more clearer than I can, but there will be no tribulation or signs of the end of times. What Jesus stated in Matthew 24 all the way up until what He says in verse 34: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." ... is referring to the fall of Jerusalem, the Holy City. This has already occurred. Notice Jesus said that "these things" referring to what He has aforementioned, would "be fulfilled" when? "This generation shall not pass,"

Then Jesus changes gears in verse 36: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." He is now speaking of the "that day", the day of judgment. Clearly not even He knows the hour or the day, but only the Father knows. Therefore the previous events would not be considered signs of His second coming.

Here is some info that might help you better understand:
Hello and greetings,

Yes I agree there is so much information, and no one has the real answer only God knows the answer, but he also said that he was send a helper to bring all to remembrance. Remember in the passage where Jesus tells the apostles that he must go to the Father and that he will send us the helper which is the Holy Spirit? Here is a verse that may help, what’s going on.

John 14: 16 - 25 - 30
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

I Thessalonians 5:1-3 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Matthew 24: 36 - 37 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I Thessalonians 5: 4- 7 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,that the day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day; are we not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

II Thessalonians 1: 6 – 12 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here in these verses put together there that gives us a mystery, a gospel message, only those which are children of a living God can only understand. Because they are so many people that say they am I known, I know, it is hard to believe anyone as you see the times? Christ gives us a mystery.


Matthew 13:11. Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mark 4:11. but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables;

Luke 8:11. That seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this; The seed is the word of God.

Romans 11:25-26. For I would not brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written, There shall come out Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

Romans 16:25-27. Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. But now is made manifest and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith;

I Corinthians 2:6-12. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought; But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory; Which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit; for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

I Corinthians 4:1. Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

I Corinthians 13:2. And though I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge and though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains and have not charity, I am nothing.

I Corinthians 14:2-5. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understand him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification and exhortation and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret that the church may receive edifying.

I Corinthians 15:50-57. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
(Jesus will awake us from our sleep from this world, to prepare us of the wedding. ) but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and all shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:9. Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself;

Ephesians 3:1-9. For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward; How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;
(as I wrote afore in few words. Whereby when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel. Whereof I was made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unreachable riches of Christ. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:32. This is a great mystery; but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Ephesians 6:19. And for me that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.

Colossians 1:26-27. Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints; To whom God would make known that is the riches of the glory of this mystery, among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory;

Colossians 2:2. That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ.

Colossians 4:3. Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds;

II Thessalonians 2:7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

I Timothy 3:9. Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

Revelation 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand and the seven golden lamp stands. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches; and the seven lamp stands which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Revelation 10:7. But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Psalms 25:14. The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.

Deuteronomy 29:29. The secret things belong unto the Lord our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Luke 17:24-30 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

As we read in Genesis Chapter 8:22, While the earth remained, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Sincerely a friend papo. TheWordIsOne
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Yes I agree there is so much information, and no one has the real answer only God knows the answer, but he also said that he was send a helper to bring all to remembrance.
Actually there is not all that much information said about when the end times will occur, however it is very clear that no one knows when that will be other than God... Jesus is clear about this.

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

As far as the Helper, Comforter, the Holy Spirit... Jesus promised this to the apostles so that they would be able to remember what He taught them and what they needed to teach others. In John chapter 14, He was speaking specifically to the apostles.


An excellent study on Premillennialism to help you better understand its false teachings, is available from Ethan R. Longhenry's website, one of our Administrators here. It breaks down the Scriptures very clearly and in a very understandable way for anyone to understand fully how it is a false doctrine.

Here is that link: Plymouth Brethren - Premillennialism
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Earthly Kingdom - Show me a verse in scripture where Jesus will ever set foot on this earth again.

A. Events at his second coming
1. Raise the dead (John 5:28-29)
2. Resurrection: he will call them forth (I Cor. 15, I Thess. 4:16) Dead raised at the same occasion-time
3. Immortal realm: (I Cor 15:42-52) Twinkling of an eye occurs at the same moment. "All the dead both good and bad, no tribulation as millennialiasts teaching. He will call them forth all on the same resurrection.
4. Dead will be raised incooruptible
5. Gathering for Judgement (John 5:22-27, Matt. 25:14-30) final judgement verses 31-46 separation: in "that day" sermon on the Mount "that day" (Matt 7:21-23)

II. He will dissolve Earth (II Peter 3:10)
A. He will not establish Kingdom: not of this world
B. John 18:36; Established (Matt 16:18-19)
C. Mark 9:1 - Church is Kingdom
D. Ephesians 5:23-27 Church is Kingdom
E. I Cor. 15-24 Church, Hebrews 11:25, Matt. 6:19-21, Matt 25:34

III. Judgement
A. II Peter 3:11-12, Revelations 22:10-12
B. Acts 22:16, I John 1:7

IV. Second Coming: Refutation of Premillenialism
A. I Cor. 15:24

V. What He will find in His coming:
A. Date setters
1. II Thess. 2:1-3 Certain things must occur, no one will expect Him! Not predictable, left behind, absolutely false doctrine (Tim Lahaye)

VI. The Destruction of Jerusalem
A. Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. Talking about the destruction of the temple, not the Second Coming.
1. When shall these things be: Matt 24:3 Two separate issues. The destruction and then the end. Jesus addresses the first issue first: Matt 24:15, Luke 21:20 (Flee to the mountains, if this was the Second Coming, fleeing to the mountains would do no good.
2. When Christ comes it will be futile to run to the mountains. Isaiah 16:10, Ezekial 23:7-8

3. "This generation will not pass." Matt 24-26. Notice it says in "that day" a clear definition from the earlier destruction.

VII. Kingdom I Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 7:13 Be ready, many will not be prepared.

it will be folks like Tim Lahaye who will be ( Left behind) Dan
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There is not a verse that literally reads, "Jesus will ever set foot on this earth again."

However, it is implied...

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

We Christians will meet Him in the air and will be with him always.

Why would He raise us up into the clouds to meet Him in the air and then we all come back down to earth?
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Forth, The rebuilding of the temple of Israel
lol the third temple needs to be built right?

1. Temple of Solomon (destroyed by the babylonians)
2. Temple of Nehemiah (Herod tore it down to rebuild the third temple)
3. Temple of Herod (destroyed by Rome)
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