why do you say Palin is not a christian?

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

thank you Robert....do we have access to her christian backround anywhere? I don't think I"ve heard anything about it ( in terms of her not obeying the Gospel order of salvation)

anyone know??

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

hmm...I"m not sure if there is BCV on voting, but there is BCV on all those in government ( in authority) being what God has installed and we should submit to them.

Rom.13:1-4 , Titus 3:1

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

I hear you

...you should have plenty of time to register

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

These verses are often misused. We are NOT to submit to "government" if what they do is contrary to scripture. Please see Acts 4:19-20.

The government says killing babies is acceptable, we will not submit to this
The government says you can divorce for any reason, we will not submit to this
The government says drinking alcohol is OK, we will not submit to this
The government says..... you get the point.

We live in a nation that affords us the privilege to stand up in opposition to our government and to freely voice our displeasure with it. This we ought to do.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Because she has not been obedient to the gospel plan of salvation. Those who have been "saved" in denominations are not Christians. They must leave the denominations and be obedient to what the Bible teaches or they will be condemned on the day of judgment. Matthew 15:13

Palin has not been saved and still remains in her sins and is apart from God, as are all those in denominations. There is only one church (Ephesians 4:4), and that Church is taught in the NT. That church today is the Lord's Church, churches of Christ.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

From the article linked:



I don't know a lot about the type of congregation mentioned so, those who do can better express where she might stand, Biblically. The article does not express her current association ... only that that was her "one-time" church.

In Christian Love ...

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The LORD is my shepherd (Psalms 23:1a)

She is still a Pentecostal and is still not a Christian.

Iif her religion had impacted her world view, she would have been obedient to the Bible and the gospel plan of salvation and sought to be forgiven for her sins and added to the Church b y God, Acts 2:47.

Perhaps we need to be clear here. If we have any on this site that are not members of the Lord's Church, you are still in your sins and need to be saved.

Hear: Romans 10:17
Believe: mark 16:16
Repent: Luke 13:3 (this would include coming out of a denomination)
Confess: Matthew 10:32-33
Be baptized: Acts 2:38

If one has not done this they have not been saved.

Kindly,
Don

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Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Brother Don, I hope I am not out of place to point out that anyone who has been baptized for the remission of sins, in the name of the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit, and continues faithful to the word of God, is a Christian regardless of the name on the building. I am not talking about denominations. I am sure there are places where the name 'church of Christ' is not on the building, and yet the congregation is faithful to the word. Correct me if I am wrong..

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If we live in Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Gal. 5.25 NJKV

It depends. Denominational baptism is not Bible baptism and thus, the person has not been saved. As for the name, the Lord's Church is mentioned by many designations in the scriptures. If one has been obedient to the gospel plan of salvation and has left the Lord's Church and is now attending a denomination, they are in error and MUST leave the denomination if they hope to be found faithful at the judgment.

Kindly,
Don

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Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

It is error for one to think that they can be "baptized right" in a denomination and only "worship wrong". Biblical baptism would require that one leave the denomination because they have learned that denominations are not of God.

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

One of the greatest threats to the Lord's Church in this age, I will suggest, is denominationalism because it tricks people into thinking they are saved when in fact they are lost. James 1:22 is what they must do.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

I hope you all noticed that I said I was not talking about a denomination. I was talking about independant congregations that do not go by the name "Church of Christ", or even "Lord's Church".

I'm sorry, I just threw that in, and was not refering to Palin's religious affiliation.

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*ahem* I believe you mean Marian, Robert

In Christian Love ...

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Yep, that is what I meant.... Well stated brother Rob.

We need to remember that a scriptural name does not mean it is a scriptural (sound) congregation of the Lord's Church. Example: Richland Hills Church of Christ near Dallas. Also, a scriptural name does not mean it is even part of the Lord's Church. Example: The Church of God denomination. They have a scriptural name but are not part of the Church taught in the Bible.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

well the church I belong to is Christ The King

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

The Bible never uses that as a biblical designation for the Lord's Church. Please tell us about the place where you worship.

Kindly,
Don

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

Here is a section from Leroy Brownlow's excellent book on the NT Church.

He writes.....

HOW THE CHURCH IS IDENTIFIED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

(There is no specific name given to the church, but there are scriptural ways to identify it.)

A. My church.

Mt. 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (KJV)

B. The church.

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. (KJV)

C. Church of God.

1 Cor. 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: (KJV)

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (KJV)

D. The body of Christ.

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (KJV)

E. The church of the living God.

1 Tim. 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. (KJV)

F. Church of the first born.

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (KJV)

G. Churches of Christ.

Rom. 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. (KJV)

Can you find the name of the church of which you are a member in the scriptures?

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org

you asked:
Can you find the name of the church of which you are a member in the scriptures?

Surely you know that Christ is our King! Our church represent His body, as we are His children, spreading His Gospel.

32Let this Christ,[a] this King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe." Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him. MARK 15:32 NIV

Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!"[a]
"Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!" Luke 19:38 NIV

2And they began to accuse him, saying, "We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Christ,[a] a king." Luke 23:2 NIV

13They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
"Hosanna![a]"
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"[b]
"Blessed is the King of Israel!" John 12:13 NIV

Our church is in Scripture..all throughout This is our beliefs:

We believe that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God.
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, died on the cross, rose from the dead, and will be coming back for His bride.
We believe in the Holy Trinity and the never-ending miracle provisions of our God and King.
We believe in the one and only God who has revealed Himself to us, in His work of creation, redemption, and sanctification. He has designated and manifested Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit; therefore, we confess our faith in the Triune God, three distinct Persons in one Godhead - Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 9:6
We believe in God the Father, the Creator, Preserver and Sustainer of the whole creation; who in His divine majesty is infinitely exalted above all creation. In fatherly compassion, He seeks the present and eternal welfare of all people whom He made in His own image, but who have fallen into sin and live in the bondage of Satan - Romans 8:15
We believe that Jesus Christ, true God and true man, came into the world to be the Redeemer of mankind. By becoming one with man in the incarnation, Christ entered into decisive conflict on man's behalf with Satan and sin. By His perfect life, He was the Lamb of God who fulfilled the divine law and who suffered and died on the cross in our place, making payment for our sins. By His resurrection, He released us from the power of sin, death, and the devil. In His victory we are victorious. He has freed us to be His own, to live under Him in His kingdom, and to serve Him in everlasting righteousness, innocence and blessedness. We look forward to His soon coming - John 1:29; John 10:10; I Thessalonians 4:13-17
We believe in the Holy Spirit who regenerates every believer by effecting genuine repentance and a saving faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. We believe that Jesus Christ, the risen and ascended Lord, has promised to baptize (empower, fill) every believer who asks for and seeks the Holy Spirit so that the body of Christ (the Church) might be able to carry on the supernatural ministry of Christ -
Matthew 28:18-20; John 1:12; John 3:5-8, John 14:12; Luke 11:9-13; Acts 1:5; Acts 2:38-39; I Corinthians 6:11; I Corinthians 12:3-11; I Corinthians 13:1-13; Galations 5:22-23

Dr. Michael Brown is quoted as saying: "A kingdom is judged by the conduct of it's subjects, and a king by the nature of his kingdom. We are subjects of the heavenly kingdom. He is the only true light of the world and his glory must shine through us." Each of us has been given a ministry by God. What is your ministry? How are you doing in completing it?

Our church has a very specific vision to be a safe harbor where individuals can be healed, restored, and equipped for significant service to the King. How can you help? How can we help you? Our goal is to help you be healed and restored, but also to release you into significant service to the King and His kingdom.

I am very honored and blessed to be a member for 17 years of Christ the King Church!


I do hope I"ve answered your questions Don...

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Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. PROV.31:30

And so Lord, I ask you... "Point out anything in me that offends you and lead me along the path of everlasting life." Psalms 139:24

Hi Prov.31wife. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I want to kindly point out a common mistake that many make, and that is attributing to the name of the Church the titles worn by Christ. The name of the place you attend is a good example of this.

In the pages of scripture we learn that Christ is head of the Body- the church (Ephesians 1:22-23). As head of the Church, Christ has all authority. he has used his authority to give specific designations to his Church. No man, council, Pope, committee, or synod has the authority to use any name for the Body other than those names given in scripture. Remember, Ephesians makes it clear that Christ is the head, and he has been given control of ALL things relating to the church.

With this having been established with BCV, we need to notice in the Bible how the church is referred to.
Jesus called it:
My Church: Matthew 16:18
My Kingdom: Luke 22:30
The kingdom of heaven: Matthew 16:19
The Kingdom of God: John 3:5

The Apostles called it:
The church: Colossians 1:18
The church of the Lord: Acts 20:28
The church of God: 1 Cor. 1:2
Churches of Christ: Rom. 16:16
The house of God: 1 Tim. 3:15
The household of God: Eph. 2:19
The Body of Christ: Eph. 4:12
The household of faith: Gal. 6:10
The Kingdom of God: Acts 20:23
The kingdom of God's dear son: Col. 1:13
The church of the first born: Hebrews 12:23
A Kingdom which can not be shaken: Hebrews 12:28

The above is from a "condensed list" from the track The One True Church. I will be happy to send this to you along with the DVD searching for Truth and a copy of the book, Introducing The Church of Christ. each of these are excellent study material to help you in your growth.

You see, the place that you attend can not point to the Bible and say "This is where the church is called, "Christ The King". Not once is this used as a biblical designation for the one true Church mentioned in Ephesians 4:4

I would also point out that several of the things in the creed you mention are not supported from the scriptures. Such as the present work of miracles. A creed is man made and will always fall short of the Bible. So in the Church of Christ we teach "no creed but Christ, no book but the Bible." When someone asks me what we believe I tell them "We believe what is taught in the Bible and only that which is taught in the Bible." (2 Timothy3:16-17)

I would be happy to put you in touch with a congregation of the Lord's Church in your area. If you PM me with where you live I will be happy to help you to make introductions with faithful members of the Church in your area. The church of Christ in the One true church that you read about in your Bible (Eph. 4:4). It was established in AD 33 at Jerusalem. It is our desire that all men be part of the Body of Christ.

I do hope this has been helpful to you.

Kindly,
Don

P.S.
The following is a link to a wonderful video that you can watch over the internet regarding the Church we read about in the New Testament.

http://www.thebible.net/searchingfortruth/church.html

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Don Gelles,
Preacher, Church of Christ in Hyde Park
Austin, Texas
www.hydeparkcoc.org