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These clarifications are helpful, especially avoiding semantics which might be unhelpful for clarity. One example is Matt. 16:18, where Jesus said He "will build my church" upon "this rock", i.e. the bedrock truth "thou are the Christ the son of the Living God." The concept of the universal church, made up of all converts is important, as is the concept of a local congregation which assembles. For the sake of clarity without being tedious, it is accurate that baptized believers, who have been added to the Lord's church, assemble on the first day of the week, therefore they "go" to "meeting together", Heb. 10:25 [NIV], "the assembling of ourselves" [NKJV]. Even though "church" and "assembling" are not directly equivalent by definition, the noun form "assembly" shows the close relationship between the "who" that is doing "what". |
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Here's an observation: It is rare to see any of the brethren use actual scripture to show who the "rock" is in Matt 16:18, but rather resort to a semantic dance of logic to explain who the "rock" is. I prefer to take the direct route and simply let the scriptures interpret itself and thereby cut the legs out from under the Pope's assertion that Peter was the rock .... Quote:
__________________ your brother in Christ, Charles Burgess ___________________ Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Last edited by ho'adelphos; 05-07-09 at 11:40 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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Robertson's Word Pictures says this of Heb 10:25, "(tēn episunagōgēn heautōn). Late double compound from episunagō, to gather together (sun) besides (epi) as in Mat_23:37; Luk_17:27. In N.T. only here and 2Th_2:1. In an inscription 100 b.c. for collection of money (Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 103). The saved assemble in the church. Readings from Hebrews 10:25 or Ephesians 2 or 3 are not incongruous.
__________________ "that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1:18 |
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Just a note: the major translations were done by committees...each operating semi-independently of the others and therefore the English rendering was never consistent from committee to committee except to retain the ecclesiastical terms of the previous translations to remain consistent with the major denominational doctrines of the sponsoring group. (Yep - that's a mouthful, but nothing like the commissioning document - from the british archives - for the KJV) In Greek ekklesia always means the same thing: the called out. That is what is great with Greek. Hebrew and Aramaic on the other hand, the meaning of many words depends upon the overall context. The Greek word to refer to the "building they meet" in is totally different as shown in my earlier post above, and it is never found in NT texts. In the LXX the Greek word to signify the house of the Lord is only found in the OT and corresponds with the Hebrew synagogue for meeting house or house of prayer as found in the Hebrew texts. Young's is generally very good in bringing out the full "flavor" of the passage, but not totally perfect.
__________________ your brother in Christ, Charles Burgess ___________________ Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. |
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heautōn is who is doing the action of the assembling
__________________ your brother in Christ, Charles Burgess ___________________ Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. |
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Good comments. When looking up "church" in Vines' Dictionary, p. 102, we are sent to "assembly" and "congregation", on p. 42 and p. 122. "Gathering" is found in Acts 7:38 (of Israel). Vines discusses the universal church, as in Matt. 16:18 and Eph. 1:22. Other passages refer to local congregations, singular, Matt. 18:17, Acts 20:28, 1 Cor. 1:2, Gal. 1:13, 1 Thess. 1:1, 2 Thess.1:1, 1 Tim. 3:5, and plural, according to Vine's in Acts 9:31, as in a "district". |
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__________________ your brother in Christ, Charles Burgess ___________________ Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ... Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. |
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