Who said anything about man-made doctrines?

Is there anyone here who denies that if not for the Holy Catholic Church, you would not have your Christian bible?

We do not interpret ourselves. We look at all the scriptures, their context, implications, pattern and example then arrive at a conclusion which God wanted us to arrive at. This is not about being perfect ourselves but instead, the Word is perfect and we submit to it.

You on the other hand are drawing from a little bit of bible and a lot of what men write. Are you saying the Pope speaks for God? You must be careful how you answer this. Think carefully about this.

That has already been proven to not be correct and you have offered no proof otherwise.

You! You have been throwing man-made doctrines at us since you started posting. Again, you have no proof for anything you write. It is mere speculation, opinions and man-made doctrines.

I adamantly deny it.

Peace... obviously you are NOT reading what we all have been writing. Otherwise you would clearly see that everyone that has posted thus far in this thread other than you, all deny your man-made doctrines.

The inspired Word of God, the "all sufficient" Bible denies it as well, therefore God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ deny it. The unHoly Catholic Church is a man-made denomination and you simply cannot prove otherwise. You can write until your fingers fall off, but you will never prove it.

You have yet to offer one iota of proof for anything you have written.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to push your false man-made doctrines on others. Of course you will no doubt be held accountable.

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brother Sonnie

That's not true. Almost the entire book of Isaiah was found in a cave in Qumran in the 1950s and it was discovered to be, with a few minor exceptions, identical to the English translation of the 1611 KJV. Furthermore, there are copies of the New Testament never associated with the Roman Catholic tradition.

The Roman Catholic Church always likes to boast of its "apostolic tradition," when speaking to us less-than-inspired hicks, but what it never has understood is that when the last apostle died, there ended the apostolic tradition.

The Roman Catholic Church gets its "apostolic tradition" from an misinterpretation of Matthew 16:15-18 and its assumption that Jesus is addressing Peter as the "rock" the church is built upon. The rock Jesus is talking about is Peter's confession of Jesus as Lord.

True, the apostles DID have authority to set the teachings of the church, but no one else did. And when they died, the authority was set in the scriptures, not in other men NEVER mentioned in scripture.

Roman Catholics like to condemn "sola scriptura," or the belief in the sufficiency of the scriptures. But they also don't like 2 Peter 1:2-3, "Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence." (NASB)

If His divine power HAS {past tense} granted to us EVERYTHING pertaining to life and godliness, then what would we lack?

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The scriptures were around a long time before the Catholic church.

The Catholic church did not have all the manuscripts.

All the modern day translations are rendered from manuscripts that predate the Latin Vulgate.

History records that the Catholic church purposely suppressed the scriptures from the general population for centuries. They knew if the common man could read it, their hold over them would be jeopardized. It was only after the scriptures became readily available and other books through the aid of the printing press that mankind started on the uphill battle out from under the oppression of the Roman Catholic Church who held mankind in the dark ages under the yoke of ignorance.

Your church has been bathed in blood of the innocents. Forcing their beliefs on people and often times killing those whom stood against them. Your church has hunted down people, burned them at the stake in public all in the name of God.

I'm not trying to offend you. I am hoping and praying you will open your eyes and read your history. I know what I have written is going to be hard and I do not have the words to express how sorry I am for that. But they are the truth. History is replete with example after example of the atrocities commited by the Catholic church and the decadence of the popes.

Please open your eyes to the truth. Look to the inspired word of God and use your own brain and stop taking the word of your church for what you should believe. Just believe what the Bible says. It is so simple.

Study with us. We want to help you.

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The church of Christ at Granby

Ok friends, at Laura’s request, let’s talk more about 2 Timothy,

Some of you don’t seem understand what is happening in 2 Timothy.
Even though there is much any follower of Christ can learn from this epistle, the fact remains that this is a letter from Paul to Timothy, not to you. This is what I meant when I stated in an earlier post that the books of the NT are provisional documents of the Church.

Let’s take a closer look at 2 Timothy.



Tim 2 is a letter to Timothy and nobody else:
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus: 2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son. Grace, mercy and peace, from God the Father and from Christ Jesus our Lord.

Paul has previously ordained Timothy as Bishop of Ephesus.
6 For which cause I admonish thee that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by the imposition of my hands.


Here Paul tells Timothy to hold onto the verbal teachings (traditions) that he has given him.
13 Hold the form of sound words which thou hast heard of me: in faith and in the love which is in Christ Jesus.


Here Paul tells Timothy to safeguard the knowledge that the apostles have been given by the Holy Spirit, which now resides within Timothy too. This my friends is apostolic succession in happening within the pages of the New Testament.
14 Keep the good thing committed to thy trust by the Holy Ghost who dwelleth in us.

Here Paul tell Timothy to ordain other men to teach the things that Paul himself has taught. This is an example of proof that Timothy was ordained a bishop by Paul because it is the role of a bishop to ordain others.
2 And the things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses, the same commend to faithful men who shall be fit to teach others also.



Here Paul reminds Timothy of the doctrine that he has taught, of the life he has lived and why he lived it, of terrible things that have happened to him because of what he taught. He tells Timothy that evil is still there and for Timothy to continue the traditions (teachings) that he has learned from him and because of his authority as an apostle, the teachings are to be safeguarded.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions: such as came upon me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra: what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall grow worse and worse: erring, and driving into error, 14 But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned and which have been committed to thee. Knowing of whom thou hast learned them.



Here Paul tells Timothy to also use the Old Testament as a tool. This tool is a useful tool for a “man of God”, man of God being one that has been appointed to teach God’s will. The term “Man of God” during and before the times of Christ is not referring to anyone other than those appointed. How could you expect to know things like this when you don’t use scholarly methods (reading something other than scripture) of study? Scripture is a useful tool for the man of God, and even without it he is still a man of God, but does not have the full set of tools. An example being that a skilled carpenter can still be a carpenter without a full set of tools, but a full set of tools would make him as prepared for carpentry as possible.
15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures which can instruct thee to salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.


Tim 4 is Paul reiterating his charge to Timothy. He tells him of his approaching death and desires him to come to him.


Now brothers and sisters, how in the world does the COC or any other bible-only denomination, use 2 Tim as its primary scriptual proof that the bible is the sole rule and authority of the Christian faith and that anything not explicitly mentioned in scripture must be false?

Peace friends

Oh really? Just when do you think the Catholic Church came into being?

Who did, according to your sources?

This view is opinion only, or should I say "traditions of man". Funny how you pick and choose. Anyway, this deserves a detailed response which I will prepare.

Sounds bad I know but not entirley accurate, especially if you don't know the full story. Stay tuned.

I do believe the bible. I have read it faithfully for years and years. I keep one next to my bed, in my coat pockets, at work, in my car, in my den and in my study. None are dusty my friend.

Sorry, but the Holy Catholic Church decreed long before 1950 which books should be in the bible and you accept that which a pope decreed. Ironic isn't it?

Please tell me more about that if you don't mind.

That is your personal interpretion. I covered this more detail in an earlier post.

No one ever said "set" the teachings. And you are wrong because the Holy Spirit most certainly does have the authority to "set" teachings. As far as apostolic tradition not existing, you had better read 2 Timothy...again.

That's why he gave us his Church, that of which you totally disreguard but yet cling to her internal provisional documents. Why do you think that passage proves Sola Scriptura?

Good night all, you wore my fingers out. We'll discuss some more later.

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I do not read anything in this verse or any verse for that matter about the pope or any other book written by any of them.

Romans 10:14-16
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:


“ How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,[a]
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”[b]

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?”[c]


Humm..I read nothing here either about any catholic writing or a pope in Romans 10 either...only the gospel of peace, which is the Word.

Revelation 19:13
He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.


Humm.. again, nothing about the pope, Mary..Notice that Jesus and the Word itself if of Jesus

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 (Ohhh this is like the pope...I knew something like him was somewhere in the bible)
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Question:

Is Mary co-redeemer?

Although we do not use that as our primary Scriptural proof, it is used, however your questioned has already been answered several times, but you are simply ignoring it.

God's Word is what Jesus spoke and what the Holy Spirit inspired the apostles to write, which are the Scriptures.

The Greek word used in 2Tim 3:16 is "artios", which means "complete, perfect". The inspired words of God, which is what the Holy Spirit guided the apostles to write down, is able to teach, reprove, correct and train us for righteousness... SO THAT WE CAN BE COMPLETE!

What would apply to Timothy would apply to us just as well.

Jesus instructed the apostles to go and teach all that He commanded them.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

How were they to accomplish this?

Joh 16:12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

The Holy Spirit guided them through "all the truth"... not some, but all.

If you get this... all those letters that were written to those particular churches were written to saints, brother and sisters in Christ... INCLUDING the the letters to Timothy. What was written is what Jesus said to go and teach them, in which He gave them the Holy Spirit to guide them in that teaching. Jesus said go and teach all nations... Mark 16:15, not some nations, but all nations. Jesus wants everyone to be taught and that is why the Holy Spirit guided God's words to be written down.



NOW... you are contradicting yourself if you will notice... (as mentioned earlier, talking out of both sides of your mouth)...

Twice you admit that what Paul is teaching Timothy should be taught to us... therefore what Paul has written is directed to us as well.

Case closed... you continue to fail with any proof of your claims.

Now listen to your idol, Peter...

2Pe 1:3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,

What is His divine power?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

The gospel, God's Word.

It gives us all things pertaining to life and godliness, not some things, but ALL things.

And to reiterate, I will quote brother John...

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brother Sonnie

I said that God has the final authority, Mr. Peace...you said that the church does. Big difference!

I don't see any distorting whatsoever, sir.

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Romans 16:16 1 Thess. 5:17 1 Thess. 5:22 1 Tim. 6:12 2 Tim 2:15

Okay...I have something to work with here. Mr. Peace said in an earlier post that the Bible is not the final authority. But he does state that the apostolic "Fathers" gave instruction and the church (or "Church" and he captializes) follows it. Really?? Then that must mean since the letters to the churches of Christ (as proved in Romans 16:16...since Paul didn't say "the catholic churches salute you") were instructions for Christians first and then for anyone who wants to know who Christ is and become added to the body of Christ.

First let us understand that those who have accepted Christ and obeyed the Gospel the RIGHT way are Christians...period. Guess what? They were called Christian from the beginning and nothing else...NOT catholic, baptist, methodist, etc. Simply Christian...and if anyone can find otherwise, please show me in the Bible FIRST before giving things off the cuff.

Also, the Bible was many things that were brought together into one complete book, but does anyone think that God did not have ANY control as to what is in HIS WORD that we have today? Yes, man may have discovered the letters and such, BUT God was and is and will be in control still.

But now for the part in bold...Read carefully what Mr. Peace wrote and let us take a trip...a small trip through the halls of catholic history and see if they coincide with Bible teachings as the "so-called" succession through the catholic church (and I haven't even began to hit why he captializes "father" yet)...

DEPARTURES FROM THE APOSTOLIC WAY (the number respresent AD...meaning AFTER Christ was born)

Since we know that he was crucified, buried and arose about 33 AD any teaching was done by the apostles and the beginning of the church of Christ (which catholic teaching acknowledges) was well before any popes and catholic doctrine was set up...but see how thing came about, wile the TRUE church that began on the day of Pentacost never commanded or led by example any of the things that the catholics did and still do ignorantly.

1. Prayers for the dead, began about 300
2. Making the sign of the cross 300
3. Wax candles, about 320
4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images 375
5. The Mass, as a daily celebration 394
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term "Mother of God" first applied to her, Council of Ephesus 431
7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen 500 (like the Pharisees used thiers to stand apart from everyone else to appear above everyone else...condemned by Christ Himself)
8. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I 593
9. Latin language for worship imposed by Gregory I 600
10. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels 600
11. Instrumental music introduced but opposed 600
12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by Emperor Phocas 606
13. Kissing the pope's foot, began with pope Constantine 709
14. Temporal power of popes given by Pepin, King of France 750
15. Worship of the cross, images and relics authorized 786
16. Holy water, mixed with salt, and blessed by a priest 850
17. College of Cardinals (now 70) established 927 (where is this "title" given in God's Word????)
18. Canonization of dead saints, by pope John XV 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent 998
20. Celibacy of the priesthood decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand) 1079
21. The Rosary begun by Peter the Hermit 1090
22. Sale of Indulgences 1190
23. Transubstantiation proclaimed by pope Innocent III 1215
24. Auricular Confession of sins to priest instituted by pope Innocent III in Latern Council 1215
25. Adoration of the wafer (Host) decreed by pope Honorius III 1220
26. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia 1229
27. Pouring officially substituted for baptism 1311
28. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance 1414
29. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma, Council of Florence 1438
30. Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed 1439
31. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by Council of Trent 1545
32. Apocryphal books added to Bible, Council of Trent 1546
33. Immaculate Conception of Mary 1854
34. Infallibility of the pope, Vatican Council 1870 and then reaffirmed 1973 (Vatical ruling)
35. Public Schools condemned by pope Pius XI 1930
36. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by pope Pius XII ... 1950

...and this is only a small sample.

Mr. Peace, I have quoted from your churches OWN books...why can't you do that? We quote from teh Bible and you just simply say we are reading it wrong. Then please give me where you get all your instruction from...if you discount simple teaching from God's Word and don't want to acknowlegde your churches own books, then what is it?

Because you keep saying "this is our interpretation" or "that is just our opinion"...I have yet to see any of YOUR proof, sir.

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Oh yes, and before I forget about the "rock that was rejected by men...if my memory serves me right, the Bible speaks of a rock that was rejected and it coincides with Matthew where the catholics are still wrong about Peter being the rock because it wasn't him that was rejected. Anyone care to even just GUESS Who was rejected of men (here is a hint...He died for our sins)? Because it sure wasn't Peter!

And how can a denomination such as the catholic church claim to be the church of the Bible when it does not follow scripture but CREATES its OWN doctrine?? History proves that...oh well...

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With all the discussion about the Apostles and the common belief that apostles and or their authority is passed on today, I thought I would post an article I wrote on that topic. I pray it will clear up the confusion caused by false teaching.

Who is an Apostle?

Today, there are some that believe they are apostles, appointed directly by God and inspired by the Holy Spirit, able to do miraculous acts on behalf of God.

Who is an apostle?

There are three types of apostles, those commissioned by Christ, apostles (one sent as a messenger but not as designated by Christ) and lastly a false apostle.

Strong’s Greek Concordance - apostolos - ap-os’-tol-os

From G649; a delegate; specifically an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ (”apostle”), (with miraculous powers): - apostle, messenger, he that is sent.”

What makes or qualifies a person to be a God appointed apostle?

Let us look at the scriptures to see what God has given us to answer this question.

Acts 1:15-26
15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples[c] (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. 19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms:

“˜ Let his dwelling place be desolate,
And let no one live in it’;
and,
“˜ Let another take his office.’

21 “Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

From these verses it is clear that the Christ appointed apostle:

Had to have been with Jesus.
Had to have seen Him after He resurrected.
Had to be chosen personally by God. God has the final say about who is to be His apostle.
Did God appointed apostles have God given authority or were they like preachers today that have no authority except the God authorized Word they teach from the Bible?

Answer: No, God placed His appointed apostles as the primary authority by which God’s Word will be given and were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Preachers, teachers and elders, presently, are no longer inspired by the Holy Spirit since the Word has been confirmed and given to the Church in the letters and epistles written to the church, the New Testament by the inspired writers. Since the confirmation of the messenger was no longer need, it stopped. Today, we have the authorized Word of God and nothing more. This is explained in 1 Corinthians 13.

According to Acts 1:4-8 and Ephesians 3:1-7, God appointed apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit:
Ephesians 3:1-7

1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles- 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.


Acts1:4-8

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


Mark 13:11
But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

1 Corinthians 2:13
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


1 Thessalonians 1:5
For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

According to 1 Corinthians 12:28, they were appointed to be the highest of human authority among those that had the gifts of the Holy Spirit to give the Word.

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

God appointed APOSTLE (sent out by Jesus) verses GENERIC use (sent out/messenger)

Those that are God Appointed examples are listed in Matthew 10, and are specially commissioned by Jesus Christ Himself:

Matthew 10:2-4

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.

Included in this use would have to be the one chosen to replace Judas, which was referred to in the already in Acts 1:15-26.

Also included would be Paul, by virtue of His calling by Christ and God and his having seen Jesus:

Romans 1:1

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God

1Corintians 9:1

Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?

Galatians 1:1

Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),

The generic meaning “one sent out” would include those such as Barnabas, who was sent out by the church:

Act 14:14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out

See Acts 13:3 for Barnabas’ and Paul’s commissioning for a special work, which was completed in Acts 14:26.

On the other hand of this subject, there are also false apostles.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.

Technically one could use the term “apostles,” to refer those being sent on a special mission by a congregation, but no miraculous powers or special appointment by Christ Himself can be implied. Because of the confusing nature of this meaning in present day, it is not wise to use and if it were to be used, it must accompany much explanation.

Any that claim to have divine guidance beyond the given Word of God in the bible and believe they have the powers of the Holy Spirit and so calling themselves apostles meet the qualifications of a “false” apostle.

In the present day, no man can lay claim to the position of an apostle of Christ in the inspired meaning of the word.

In conclusion, their cannot be any more God appointed apostles since the apostle Paul made it clear that he is the last of the apostles.

For he says, “And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time”

- 1 Corinthians 15:8.

Yes, because I will say if it were not for GOD and HIM ALONE, I would not have His Word.

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Placing a binder on the letters that were copied by the literal thousands by the inspired church does not make them inspired themselves. I might write 5 poems and you might place them into a notebook. Does that make you the author, editor or somehow equal in creativity with me? No..you just bound them. The men were just men and they put a binder on it and it was the printing press through which even more copies were made and spread throughout the world, not the apostate group that eventually began to call themselves catholic. Making copies of the Word, against the wishes of the catholic leaders, contributed in bringing much of civilation out of the dark ages. It gave people hope, not confusion, as was feared by the catholic ivory tower teachers and supposed givers of the Word of God to all pathetic humanity. They did not mis-use the power of the church since they were nolonger the church at all, but only a government that used religion to accomplish the desires of their stomach and were apostate.

Hitler did amazing things for Germany's economy and ego but was that such a good thing in light of the egomania they formed combined with their eventual downfall of their country? If we bind all the inspired books of God but do not follow it, resulting in the loosing of one's soul, what good is that?