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Old 02-07-09, 02:21 PM
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Sin and the Christian

This thread is concerning Christians, especially mature Christians.

Have y'all ever heard anyone make the statement that 'you caused me to sin' or 'you caused me to gossip'? How could this be possible?

I know you've heard the statement, 'the devil made me do it'. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that no one causes us to sin. Don't we make that decision, ourselves?

1Cor. 8:9-But take heed lest by any means this liberty of your's become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
I'm pretty sure this verse is speaking of weak Christians. Mature Christians shouldn't have this problem, should we?

ALSO Could someone explain the following passage to me?

Hebrews 6:4-64 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
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Old 02-08-09, 10:40 PM
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Re: Sin and the Christian

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This thread is concerning Christians, especially mature Christians.

Have y'all ever heard anyone make the statement that 'you caused me to sin' or 'you caused me to gossip'? How could this be possible?

I know you've heard the statement, 'the devil made me do it'. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that no one causes us to sin. Don't we make that decision, ourselves?
We absolutely make that decision. The devil can't MAKE us do ANYTHING we don't WANT to do. 1 Corinthians 10:13 :
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There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Not only is this verse comforting, because we are spiritually able resist any temptation that comes our way, but it is also condemning because we are spiritually able resist any temptation that comes our way. In other words its nobodies fault but mine. Now Satan can and does tempt us, in like manner as he tempted Christ, but he can't MAKE us do anything, thats just an excuse.

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1Cor. 8:9-But take heed lest by any means this liberty of your's become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
I'm pretty sure this verse is speaking of weak Christians. Mature Christians shouldn't have this problem, should we?
In his very useful one volume New Testament Commentary Jim Sheerer says concerning this passage:

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The Corinthian Christians had overlooked this point. Eating meats offered to idols is not a sin. A Christian must remember that eating meats offered to idols may not be a sin for the person eating; however it might cause his brother to sin. If eating meat offered to an idol would cause his brother to sin then love ought to prevail over one's right. The Christian should not eat meat in any circumstance which would cause his brother to sin (1 Corinthians 8:11-13; Romans 14:13; Galatians 5:13). While one may eat meat offered to an idol it is not necessary.

The stumblingblock must be something which is right in itself. If it is wrong, a Christian must refrain from doing it because it is sin. The stumblingblock must be something which motivates the weak brother to do something he does not believe is right and which causes him to sin. This does not refer to things which he merely does not like and the doing of things which do not cause him to sin.
(p. 716)

This principle must prevail in all dealings, where reasonable well rationed arguments diverge. If one Christian claims liberty and another claims sin, Love should prevail and the first Christian's liberty is deferred so as not to violate the conscience of the second. However, as brother Sheerer points out, this must be for serious things and not clear cut scriptural doctrine that the other Christian doesn't like.

Say I think something is sin and Steven doesn't. I am fine with being called the weaker Christian, even IF I believe I have a more mature understanding of said passage, if it means Steven will ease my conscience by ceasing whatever action that offends me in a serious manner.

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ALSO Could someone explain the following passage to me?

Hebrews 6:4-64 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
Where there is no repentance there is no forgiveness of sins. The text speaks specifically of Christians of Jewish descent. The most common problem in the first century was Judaizing teachers. Christians who once practiced Judaism had a problem keeping Jewish traditions out of their lives, some even turned their back on Christianity completely.

These were people who had no doubt witnessed the miracles whose purpose was to confirm Christianity in general and the Word of God specifically. Some of these people may have even possessed some of the "Gifts" that were needful for this purpose.

Imagine turning your back on the visible, undeniable power of God. Understand that, and you understand where these people's hearts were. They had turned their back on God and removed their heart from His presence. That is a conscious decision. Certainly God would not fail to forgive them if they repented. But as long as they "crucify/crucified the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame," there would be no forgiveness.

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Old 02-11-09, 02:23 AM
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Re: Sin and the Christian

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ALSO Could someone explain the following passage to me?

Hebrews 6:4-64 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
You might understand the passage this way. The basic theme is that of a person falling away once they have received and obeyed the truth of the gospel message. Another such warning occurs in (Hebrews 10:26-27): “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries” (ESV). As brother Lee pointed out, if we turn our back on Christ, then how can we expect any grace from the only One who has authority via His sacrifice to forgive sin (Heb.9:22). Christ shed His blood at the cross for (1) “the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38) and (2) “if we walk in the Light as he Himself is in the Light…the blood of His son cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7). So to our advantage the blood of Jesus not only cleanses us from sin at baptism, but we also have that continual cleansing daily in our sins of stumble…of course, this is conditional per (1 John 1:7).
To repent means to have a change of heart. In our walk of holiness, it is possible to sort of drift away, and drift away, and drift to the point that our heart is “past feeling” (Eph. 4:19). And this hardened, callused heart is without “natural affection” (Rom. 1:31) and is not “easy to be entreated” (James 3:17) simply because we have now reached a point in our lives where we PRACTICE sin without remorse. In fact, a person can fall away and sin willfully to the extent that God will eventually give you “over to a depraved mind” (Rom. 1:28). And if that person reaches such a state that they are unable “to renew again to repentance” then much to your loss you have crucified Jesus for nothing and shamed Him even more!
Just some points to consider,
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Old 02-12-09, 11:50 AM
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Good points. 2 Pet. 2:20 remains a stern warning to "backsliders", Jer. 2:19, Jer. 3:22, Jer. 5:6, Jer. 14:7, Jer. 15:6, Ezek 37:23.
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