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Old 07-24-08, 01:14 PM
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You certainly have them, sister.


Sorry for my denseness here. The gentleman I mentioned was not observing the day as Christ's birthday. This is from whence my confusion arises. Do you mean how effective might one be in using this holiday as a means to teach and convert those who DO celebrate the day a Christ's birthday?

BTW. This gentleman was very curious to find a "Christian" who did not celebrate the day as the birth of the Savior. He thought it peculiar and was very open to hear and understand why. This is very different (generally speaking) from my experience with religious people who DO celebrate the day in a religious manner.

Sisterly,
No, I mean, has the observance of Dec. 25th as Jesus' birthday ever caused a non-believer to become a Christian ?
I understand taking the opportunity of using the observance to teach others the truth. In a way, that is what I am trying to do.
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No, I mean, has the observance of Dec. 25th as Jesus' birthday ever caused a non-believer to become a Christian ?
Okay... if I get your point right, then my question would be "Has attending a ballgame ever caused a non-believer to become a Christian?" I don't think this is the standard by which we are to judge the rightness or sinfulness of activities in which we may choose to engage. If it is, then we need to rethink most everything we do in life. Does that make sense?
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Old 07-24-08, 02:39 PM
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Okay... if I get your point right, then my question would be "Has attending a ballgame ever caused a non-believer to become a Christian?" I don't think this is the standard by which we are to judge the rightness or sinfulness of activities in which we may choose to engage. If it is, then we need to rethink most everything we do in life. Does that make sense?
I am beginning to think I do not speak the same language as most other people do ! Have you never heard Christians say that there is good in the Christmas story because it makes people think about Jesus ? I have. I really doubt that a ball game would make anyone think about Jesus ????
Maybe my generation thinks differantly than yours does ?

I will try to explain....I have been told that it is wrong to try to take Christ out of Christmas, because Christmas is a way to get people to think about Christ. Well...the only way they may think of Him, is as an infant in a manger ! I really doubt if that would cause anyone to become a believer.

Easter is more likely to, if it is about Christ's sacrifice on the cross, and His resurrection, and not about Easter Eggs and Bunny Rabbits ! Now don't get me wrong ! I am not a fan of Easter either. The word was a mistranslation in the KJV anyway. It should have been Passover.
Naturally, any Christian knows we observe His death and resurrection every first day of the week.
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Old 07-24-08, 02:46 PM
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Is it reasonable to think that any so called holiday that is tied in some way to God, left up to the world to decide, would ever have any Truth or consistancy with the scriptures?

That is why the nation or world could never have any holiday that has anything to do with God that would not have tremendous issues. We cannot look to the world for anything regarding Truth.

There is no sin to dismiss holidays any more than there is to take part in one, so long as we do not bind on people that they should celebrate the holiday as a law or that we make any holiday a holy day such as the Lord's day. I speak of holidays that do not have part in sin, such as idol worship holidays in Japan.
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Old 07-24-08, 03:56 PM
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Marianinark,

I don't "celebrate" the man-made holiday known as Christmas. There are two ways to look at this holiday (just as there is two ways to look at the man-made holiday known as Easter...at least Easter in the today sense). You can look at it as religiously or non-religiously. If one wishes to look at the relgious side, then it is up to us to let them know why we don't and really can't look at it that way, but we can look at it as nothing to do with Christ or the birth of Christ and I do just that.

I have done extensive studies on holidays and the COMPLETE origin because I have so many asking me if Christians can recognize things such as birthdays and/or holidays.

As for the government...they have made every holiday for profit. So what the real and bottom line question is this: Is it scriptual to create and/or recognize a so-called religious holiday and be okay in God's sight? And it can be a simple yes or no...but with the answer, we must be ready to prove why or why not.

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Old 07-25-08, 08:02 AM
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I would ask you to please check your tone and your accusatory statements. we are not holding to something that is false and you have yet to prove such. Please provide us with BCV that supports your statements. and please DO NOT categorize your brothers and sisters in Christ with those who are in the false religions of the world.

Sister I am becoming very disappointed with your false accusations. Please do not continue in this behavior.

WHAT ???? I hope you explain what you are so angry about ! I have reread what I posted to Laura, and do not see what you are referring to ! I am shocked and amazed that you have attacked me in such a manner !

If Laura thinks I have been 'accusatory' towards her, I hope she will tell me so, and explain in what way ???

Please, please, Robert Lukenbill, please explain to me where I have been all of the things that you have accused me of . If you honestly think I am guilty of all that I will promise not to post here anymore.

What a shocking post to wake up to !!!!
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Old 07-25-08, 08:11 AM
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Okay, I just reread Laura's post to me from 8.10 yesterday morning. I guess you all think I am rude and contentious. I am sorry. Speaking by way of a keyboard is not like speaking face to face,. You have pegged me in a way that is much too hurtful....
Those who know me, know that I may be firm in my faith, but I surely hope they do not think I am a nasty old lady ! If they do, they certainly do not show it when me meet together.
I am very sad at the turn of events here.
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Speaking by way of a keyboard is not like speaking face to face,.
You are absolutely right. I run another forum for Bible school teachers and have posted there something on a study about how badly people misunderstand each other in electronic communications. It was pretty eye-opening for me, and I try to keep that in the back of my mind.

And I don't think you're a "nasty old lady"! :raped: You remind me of my grandma, whom I sorely miss -- smart, studious, and feisty. (Grandma once killed a snake by beating it with her walking stick!!! Now I got a smile on my face. She was one awesome lady.) Of course, you are *much* younger than Grandma would be if she were alive today.
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Marian,

While I am no fan of the whole "Happy Birthday Jesus" approach to the holiday in question, I'll tell what I am a fan of....

I love that there is a time of year that my whole extended family has off work or school at the same time so that we can plan get-togethers. If I did not observe this time, I would never see many of them again.

I love that there is a time of year that there is lots of neat food and treats set out at every house I visit ... and all the wonderful smells ...

It's thrilling to be able to buy my wife and kids something they "just want" but have done without due to other priorities. I'm glad there is a time of year the stores compete fiercely for my business so I can make that happen.

It's wonderful and comforting that there is a time the teenagers can take a pause from trying to become adults and enjoy being a kid for a few days.

I love the special lighting and decorations to signal this time - that signal all of the great things we are about to celebrate ... and that is a loving tight knit family. That's all these things are, a signal to slow down and enjoy life for a few days.

The original meanings behind these traditions are lost to the masses - It's just not what they are about anymore. In fact, as already mentioned in some fashion before, all of these things that are enjoyable about the holiday season are built and perpetuated by folks that care nothing about religion. The biggest proof of this in my mind is the elaborate decorations in some yards that include a Santa and a nativity scene in the same setting. I really get a kick out of that.

I have been in conservative congregations since the 70's and I have never been shown a Biblical reason not to celebrate in the way I describe above. While I can't say it's lead to a new conversion for me, it has given me an opening to discuss Jesus at least once every year in a context where the listener is not trying to get me to shut up so they can get away.

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Old 07-25-08, 11:24 AM
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Re: Are the observance of Holidays wrong for Christians per the Bible's teachings?

I would like to offer a few thoughts on this topic.

My family and I celebrate Christmas but do so as a secular holiday. We do not do anything with christian symbols such as angels, mangers, Jesus, crosses, etc. Nor do we carol "religious songs".

We have Santa Clause, a Christmas tree, rudolf, Bing Crosby singing White Christmas and give and receive presents. Our children have been taught that the Bible does not authorize the celebrating of Jesus' birthday as a holiday and we have taken great care for them to know that attempts to place "Christ" in Christmas are of a denominational nature and not supported with scripture.

As a side note, we do the same thing for Easter at our home. It is time for the Easter Bunny. We teach our children that the first century Church knew nothing of these holidays and that we are not to bring Christ into them.

As for Halloween, we do not allow Ghosts, demons, withches and the like.

I also preach from the pulpit that "religious holidays" are of a man made origin and associating them with Christ should be avoided. Our congregation does not put up a tree, lights or things of that nature. We do not have Easter egg hunts in the parking lot nor do we host a haunted house.

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Old 07-25-08, 01:14 PM
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I am sorry that I have offended my brethren with my views on this subject. Although I am concerned about what God's view is on it, I should not have aired my views on this forum. As I said before, I realize I am in the minority on this, so I must realize I may be in the wrong to feel as I do.
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I am sorry that I have offended my brethren with my views on this subject. Although I am concerned about what God's view is on it, I should not have aired my views on this forum. As I said before, I realize I am in the minority on this, so I must realize I may be in the wrong to feel as I do.
Forgive me for giving anyone the idea that I was condemning them for their freedom in Christ.

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Perhaps you and I are more alike than we know. I too have "trouble" with members of the Lord's Church bring Christmas into the Lord's Church and especially into the worship of the Church. I was at a congregation that wanted to put a Christmas Tree up and I asked them to show me the authority from the word of God for it. One of the ladies got a Bible and took me the Luke chapter 2 and said it's right there. My response to her was that it shows us the birth of Christ not the calling to observe a religious holiday. Her poor exegesis is what lead to her poor theology.

Many in the Lord's Church want to bring Christmas in as a "special day". They take their youth groups caroling at nursing homes, they have "Christmas parties" at the building, they gather on the 24 at midnight to "celebrate" what they should be celebrating all year long. The same thing happens with Thanksgiving. I had to correct a member who lead the prayer during the Lord's Supper and said "As we Pause this week to celebrate Thanksgiving, we do so knowing that death of Jesus is why we give thanks." After I passed out and was revived by EMS , I had to explain to him that Thanksgiving has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper .

I celebrate lots of holidays, forth of July, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, etc... but they are NOT religious holidays and I (we, my family) refuse all suggestions or associations with them as being "religious". I once had to tell a teacher that she was wrong for teaching the "story of the Candie Cane" in Children's Bible class. The thought that a piece of candy has anything to do with Christs blood is simply nonsense. I can assure you, as a preacher in the Lord's Church, that much more teaching needs to be had on this issue.

I have no problem with a Holiday just as I don't with a piano- as long as BOTH of them are not seen in the Lord's Church

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Perhaps you and I are more alike than we know. I too have "trouble" with members of the Lord's Church bring Christmas into the Lord's Church and especially into the worship of the Church. I was at a congregation that wanted to put a Christmas Tree up and I asked them to show me the authority from the word of God for it. One of the ladies got a Bible and took me the Luke chapter 2 and said it's right there. My response to her was that it shows us the birth of Christ not the calling to observe a religious holiday. Her poor exegesis is what lead to her poor theology.

Many in the Lord's Church want to bring Christmas in as a "special day". They take their youth groups caroling at nursing homes, they have "Christmas parties" at the building, they gather on the 24 at midnight to "celebrate" what they should be celebrating all year long. The same thing happens with Thanksgiving. I had to correct a member who lead the prayer during the Lord's Supper and said "As we Pause this week to celebrate Thanksgiving, we do so knowing that death of Jesus is why we give thanks." After I passed out and was revived by EMS , I had to explain to him that Thanksgiving has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper .

I strong agree with this. I raise up to oppose once they bring it into our worship or even appear to through symbols like that. Big NONO!

I celebrate lots of holidays, forth of July, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, etc... but they are NOT religious holidays and I (we, my family) refuse all suggestions or associations with them as being "religious". I once had to tell a teacher that she was wrong for teaching the "story of the Candie Cane" in Children's Bible class. The thought that a piece of candy has anything to do with Christs blood is simply nonsense. I can assure you, as a preacher in the Lord's Church, that much more teaching needs to be had on this issue.

I have no problem with a Holiday just as I don't with a piano- as long as BOTH of them are not seen in the Lord's Church

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Okay...here is that article...may it help all who read it.

What about Christmas?

Is it scriptural and right to celebrate Christmas as a religious holy day? It is an obvious fact that most religious people believe that it is. In fact, many religious organizations stage grand productions and arrange elaborate displays for the purpose of commemorating the birth of Christ. Many of these exhibitions attract much attention, huge crowds and even new members for the performing church. Children and parents love the church sponsored nativity scenes, light shows and festivities, which has caused these productions to increase dramatically in size, splendor and number.

However, regardless of how impressive these presentations may be and how very "religious" the sponsors may appear, there is a larger question for people to consider: Did God ordain the celebration of Christ's birthday as a religious observance? All who are interested in "speaking as the oracles of God" and speaking "according to" God's word will turn to the scriptures for the answer to this question (1 Peter 4:11; Isaiah 8:20). All who are interested in acting in accordance with the authority of Christ will turn to the "word of Christ" for their authority for "whatever" they do in religion, "whether in word or in deed" (Colossians 3:16-17).

Non-religious Observance of Christmas. Before considering the religious observance of Christmas, I wish to make a couple of observations regarding its non-religious observance. There is a huge difference between a national "holiday" and a religious "holy day!" Human authorities are divinely permitted to establish holidays to honor special people and events. No sin is committed when stores, factories and businesses close in honor of those holidays. National holidays actually establish some useful standards allowing families and friends to visit each other in such a way that they may not otherwise be allowed to do. According to Romans 14:5, Christians have the God-given right to "esteem one day above another," thus observing a holiday or holiday(s) of their choosing. No sin is committed by such action unless the Christian binds his views and practices upon others (Rom. 14:10,13). As with other national holidays, Christians may rightly use the December 25th holiday for the purpose of gathering with loved ones for whatever lawful reasons they may choose. This may even include the exchanging of gifts, which incidentally, may be done on any occasion.

However, no human authority, whether church or state, has any right to establish religious holy days! This includes the establishment of December 25th as the "birthday of Christ" and using that day to commemorate the birth of Christ. Furthermore, no church has the scriptural right to incorporate the observance of Christmas as a religious and spiritual act. The New Testament authorizes no such practice. To presumptuously concoct and observe such manmade holy days is to sin against God.

The History of Christmas. The word "Christmas" comes from the Old English term Cristes maesse, meaning "Christ's mass." This expression was used to describe the worship service that was held on December 25 to commemorate Christ's birth. A Roman almanac shows Christmas first being observed on December 25th of 336 AD. This date was established in part, to compete with the pagan observance of "Saturnalia" which took place on December 17th. Also, an agreement was reached between the Western Catholic, Eastern Rite and Orthodox churches, which connected December 25th to January 6th ("Epiphany" - the appearing of Jesus), resulting in what is now known as "the twelve days of Christmas." This tradition of Christmas spread rapidly and is now recognized by most countries throughout the world.

Those who wholly associate Christmas with Christ are badly mistaken. Christmas is the result of a compilation of several different religious beliefs and cultural practices. For example, some may think gift giving has always been patterned after the practice of the wise men in Matthew 2:11. However, this is not true. Early Christians had no such custom. It was actually the Roman pagan celebration of Saturnalia that inspired this practice. Interestingly, these pagans also originated the custom of decorating houses with greenery and lights. Scandanavian and Teutonic peoples of Northern Europe decorated trees and barns in order to scare away demons.

Among other items, certain plants have become religiously associated with Christmas. Holly is used because its prickly leaves represent the crown of thorns worn by Jesus at the crucifixion, and its red berries are said to represent droplets of the Lord's blood. Poinsettia plants are based upon a Mexican legend of a child who wanted to bring a gift to the village's manger scene, but he was too poor to buy one. Legend has it that these plants first grew miraculously for him and their leaves were said to resemble the star of Bethlehem.

I observe these things, not to suggest that it is sinful to exchange gifts, string lights on your house, buy poinsettias or hang decorations on a cedar tree, but to point out that the observance of Christmas did not originate with God and is not taught in the Bible. This means that though one may celebrate Christmas day as he would Independence Day, or some other national holiday, he is not authorized to celebrate Christmas as a religious holy day.

Who Authorizes Religious Observance? No man, woman, pope, church, synod, convention or eldership has the right to establish religious holy days and authorize their special observance. This is solely the work of God. He alone is qualified to authorize certain things to be done on certain days (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2). When first century Galatian Christians began to depart from divine legislation and institute their own "holy" days, they were met with the apostle's sharp reprimand. Galatians 4:10-11 says,

"You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain" (NKJV).

Why was Paul "afraid for" these Galatian saints? It was because they were making their appeal to an obsolete standard of religious authority. According to Hebrews 8:13, the arrival and ratification of the "New Covenant" rendered the Old Covenant "obsolete." Thus, New Testament Christians are not authorized to practice Old Testament law. Doing so would cause them to "fall from grace" (Galatians 5:4). The Old Law was a "tutor to bring [men] to Christ, that they might be justified by faith. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor" (Galatians 3:24-25). The key word in this passage is Christ. He has all authority and He is our authority in all matters "that pertain to life and godliness" (Matt. 28:18; Col. 3:17; 2 Pet. 1:3). Salvation is in His name (Acts 4:12).

But it may be argued that men do not appeal to the Old Testament for authority for the religious observance of Christmas, so how do the above principles apply? Perhaps another passage will help us to properly categorize these practices. To the saints at Rome, Paul acknowledged the zeal of his Jewish brethren, yet he said this zeal was "not according to knowledge" (Romans 10:2). The next two verses explain their failure. Paul said, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:3-4, NKJV).

Notice how the principle of Christ's universal authority extends itself in all directions and over all religious exercises. Christ's righteous standard is "revealed in the Gospel" (Rom. 1:16-17). By turning elsewhere for religious authority men reject this standard and are said to "establish their own righteousness." In effect, they establish their own religion in the process! They substitute their own standards and institutions in lieu of those established by Christ.

Christmas: A "Religious" Institution? We shall now make the application of the above principles. Where did either Christ, His chosen apostles, or His inspired spokesmen and writers ever instruct men to observe Christmas? Where in the Bible, can one read about the establishment of "Christmas?" Where, in Holy Writ, can one read of early Christians commemorating and celebrating the birth of Christ? References to the birth of Jesus are certainly found, but where do we read of saints observing that day as a holy day? And in the absence of this scriptural authority, upon what basis do men arbitrarily establish a day of the year as the "birthday of Christ," then proceed to honor that day as such? Furthermore, if authority for the religious observance of Christmas were to be found, where is divine authority explaining and demonstrating how this day is to be commemorated and celebrated? So far, in my personal experiences in discussing this question with people, I have never heard any of these questions answered with scripture.

The Truth About Christ's Beginning. The Bible does not de-emphasize Christ's birth, but neither does it attach a deep religious significance to that day. Why is the Bible silent about when Jesus was born? After all, exact dates are given for many other things! Why does the Bible say nothing about the need for Christians to remember and honor the day of Christ's birth? Had God chosen to, He could have told us to remember Christ's birth just as easily as He told us to "remember" His death. I would propose two possible explanations for God not authorizing us to commemorate Christ's birth.

1. God wanted mankind to emphasize, commemorate and honor Christ's death, rather than His birth (Matt. 26:26-29; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 11:23-29). It was through His death that Jesus would "draw all men to Him" (Jn. 12:32). It was through His death that Jesus offered redemption (Rom. 3:24; Eph. 1:7). And it was His death that provided the avenue of man's reconciliation with God (Rom. 5:6,8,10; 2 Cor. 5:14-21).

2. Christ's physical birth did not mark His beginning. In the case of ordinary humans, God forms their spirit with the formation of their body (Zech. 12:1). This was not the case with Jesus. His spirit preexisted His body. He was "in the beginning with God" (Jn. 1:1-3). Though the baptizer was older than Christ in physical age, yet Jesus preexisted John, and was eternally older than John (Jn. 1:30). The same was true of Abraham. Though Abraham lived 2000 years before Christ, Jesus preexisted Abraham by eternity (Jn. 8:58).

There was a priest/king named Melchizedek who lived in days of Abraham. The Hebrew writer compared him to the Son of God by saying he "had neither beginning of days, nor yet end of years" (Heb. 7:3). You see friend, Jesus has always existed and is always the same (Heb. 13:8). His physical birth did not bring Him into existence; it merely provided shape to His preexistent and intrinsic form. That birth gave Jesus the likeness and appearance of a man (Phil. 2:6-8). Though the Bible does call it a "birth," yet that birth was so very different from normal human births that it stands in its own separate classification: the class of incarnation! God became enveloped in flesh (Jn. 1:14; Matt. 1:18-23). Birthdays celebrate one's beginning: Christ had no beginning. By focusing upon Christ's alleged "birthday," as religious Christmas observers do, they detract from Christ's deity and exalt His transient physical nature. They ignore what the Bible teaches about Christ's real purpose for coming to the earth.

Conclusion: Those who celebrate December 25th, as a religious holy day must admit that they have absolutely no biblical authority for doing so! Many will say, "Well, He had to be born on some day - we just pick December 25th as that day!" Beyond being admittedly presumptive, this claim really misses the point. We are not concerned over people believing that Jesus was born on some day: We are concerned that religious people have established that day as a religious holy day, and proceed to religiously celebrate that day without God's approval! This should raise some eyebrows, but I am afraid too many people have wandered too far from the scriptures to even be concerned about this at all. The important question is not what everyone else thinks and is doing, but what am I doing? What about you, dear reader? Are you participating in an unauthorized religious practice?
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Dwayne, excellent article!
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Brother D ...

Do you mind my republishing your post on my church's site? This is work worthy of not getting buried in a discussion forum.

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Do you mind my republishing your post on my church's site? This is work worthy of not getting buried in a discussion forum.
Dwayne,

I would also like to re-publish this article for our congregation also. I will give credit to you for a job well done.

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I have in my computer articles that I have written solely. In anohter file, I have articles from others...and then I have articles that I have expanded on...and this is one of the third type. The article is from many things that I have read on the net, in other articles, and such...so I can't say that "I wrote it" like that...see what I mean? I added certain scriptures and put some of my own thoughts in...so it is really from MANY brothers in the church.

But please post it and give credit how you may see fit to do it, but I can't take credit alone...
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Can any of us take credit for taking God's Word and relaying it in an organized fashion?

Good organizing and communicating of God's Word brother.
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Can any of us take credit for taking God's Word and relaying it in an organized fashion?

Good organizing and communicating of God's Word brother.
That is what I love to do..., so i won't end up like !

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Ummm, back on the subject...

Let us remember that ANYTHING we would celebrate is paganistic to a point because it came from man. ANYTHING from God is what we are to recognize and the only day that we are told to recognize is the first day of the week as proven by Acts 20:7 and other places.

There is no sin as to celebrating brithdays, anniversaries, and SOME holidays (as they are secularly and not in the religious sense such as "the rabbt day").

Pratically all days have some paganistic value and are considered such if you look at the true origin of them.

Take a look at this srticle on Easter if you will...most don't know the true origin of the rabbit and eggs!


Is It “Easter”? (The TRUE Significance of Christ’s Resurrection)

Each spring, millions of people around the world acknowledge, in some fashion or another, that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead some twenty centuries ago. Modern society calls it “Easter.”

The origin of this term is uncertain, though it is commonly thought to derive from Eastre, the name of a Teutonic spring goddess. The term “Easter,” in the King James Version of the Bible (Acts 12:4), is a mistranslation. The Greek word is pascha, correctly rendered “Passover” in later translations. In fact, though pascha is found twenty-nine times in the Greek New Testament, it is only rendered “Easter” once, even in the KJV.

Christians are not authorized to celebrate “Easter” as a special annual event acknowledging the resurrection of Christ. Faithful children of God reflect upon the Savior’s resurrection every Sunday (the resurrection day - cf. Jn. 20:1ff) as they gather to worship God in the regular assembly of the church (cf. Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2).

We ought to be glad, however, that multitudes – usually caught up in pursuits wholly materialistic – will take at least some time for reflection upon the event of the Savior’s resurrection. It is entirely appropriate that Christians take advantage of this circumstance; we should be both willing and able to explain to our friends – at least those who have some reverence for Christianity – the significance of the Lord’s resurrection.

The resurrection of Jesus from the dead is the foundation of the Christian system (cf. 1 Cor. 15:14ff). If there was no resurrection, Christianity is a hoax, and we are wasting our time. But the truth is, the event of Jesus’ resurrection is incontrovertible. Professor Thomas Arnold of Rugby, a world-renowned historian, once said that Christ’s resurrection from the dead is the “best-attested fact in human history” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, IV, p. 2569). This being the case, just what is the significance of Jesus’ resurrection? Think about these matters.

Here are five important points to remember about the significance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead…

First, the resurrection is one of the major evidences that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Paul affirmed that Christ is “declared to be the Son of God with power ... by the resurrection from the dead” (Rom. 1:4).

Second, Jesus’ resurrection represents an assurance that we can have forgiveness from our sins. Paul contended: “... if Christ hath not been raised, our faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins” (1 Cor. 15:17). The reverse of the apostle’s affirmation would be this: If Jesus was raised; sins will be forgiven when we obey the gospel – Acts 2:38; 22:16.

Third, the resurrection tells the world that a living sovereign rules the kingdom of God. The founder of Islam is dead and his bones lie dormant in the earth. But the founder of Christianity – sixty years after His death – appeared to John on the island of Patmos and said: “I am the first and the last, and the Living one ... I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore...” (Rev. 1:17-18).

Fourth, Jesus’ resurrection proves that physical death is not the termination of our existence. God, who is the giver of life (1 Tim. 6:13), has the power to reanimate the human body. Christ’s triumph over the grave is Heaven’s pledge to us that we too shall be raised spiritually. This is why Jesus is referred to as the “firstfruits of them that are asleep” (1 Cor. 15:20, 23).

Fifth, the Lord’s resurrection previewed the ultimate victory of Christianity over all its enemies. In the book of Revelation, Jesus is depicted as a lamb that had been slain, but was standing again (5:6). This same Lord was “the lion of the tribe of Judah” that had overcome His foes (5:5). Christians too will overcome as a result of the Lamb’s sacrifice and victory over death (cf. Rev. 12:11).

The resurrection of the Son of God should be a constant reminder to us of these wonderful biblical truths. We…meaning Christians…honor our Master’s victory over death – not once a year, but every week!

...and this...

Do We Celebrate Easter??

When you try to correct people, they do not want to listen to the truth and will only lash out at you with false accusations (Matt. 7:6). Most people in society understand the day called “Easter” to be a special day to remember the gift of God's Son on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. Some who see it only for egg hunts and bunnies still think it has a religious significance. Some see it as nothing but an excuse to go shopping for new clothes to cry out, “Look at me!!” But try to tell someone the truth and you might get an earful. So what are we to do…believe in God or trust in mankind?

Jesus instructed His disciples to remember His death and resurrection in the Lord's Supper. The Apostles and the early church celebrated the Lord's Supper every first day of the week (Acts 20:7) as recorded in the Scripture. There was no instruction from God or Jesus to set apart one special day in the year for a special celebration. Christ just instructed his disciples to remember sacrifice every time they came together on the first day of the week. Since every week had (and has) a first day they were to (as we are to do also), recognize his resurrection weekly.

Several hundred years after the death of Jesus and the Apostles, men (not God) decided to pick one special day of the year and to call it "Easter". Since the Jews had the Passover and the pagan world was celebrating spring in worshipping the goddess Eastre (she is also called Estarte) at this time of year, it was decided by men (not God) that it would be a good thing for the Christians also to have something special to celebrate, thus giving man a choice where God did not. There were then great debates as to which day should be selected. Agreement was never accomplished and culture dictated the selection of the choice of dates, as it does in many denominational church circles today. But the church of Christ does not have a choice in the matter!

So, no, we do not believe nor celebrate in mankind’s day known as "Easter" as in celebrating the resurrection of Christ just as we don’t believe nor celebrate mankind’s day know as Christmas as in celebrating His birth! So, what do we, as the body of Christ, believe then? Members of the church of Christ believe in Jesus and that he was crucified, buried, and on the third day arose...he provided salvation for us all through the sacrifice of his body and blood (Matthew 26:28)...we believe in following the example of the New Testament church by recognizing his death, burial, and resurrection every first day of the week as we partake of the Lord's Supper (Matt. 26:26-29) and we believe He shares with us each time we keep the Lord’s Supper (not the Passover) and that we should not forsake it (1 Cor. 11) We have no example or authority to partake of the Lord’s Supper any time other than on the Lord's Day, even though some (in our culture and sadly in the churches of Christ) choose to do so.

Doing so is without authority or Scriptural proof, as is the setting aside of a special day called "Easter".

....and from a sermon I preached on the Passover...

"...Each spring, every year, and annually (all meaning only once a year), millions of people around the world acknowledge, in some fashion or another, that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead some twenty centuries ago. Modern society calls it “Easter.”
The origin of this term is uncertain, though it is commonly thought to derive from the pagan worship of Eastre, the name of a spring goddess. Her symbol is the egg, symbolizing a rebirth from the long winter months. In this myth, she is said to have amused children by turning her bird into a rabbit, and then the rabbit laid colored eggs much to the delight of the children.
The term “Easter,” in the King James Version of the Bible (Acts 12:4), is a mistranslation. The Greek word used in the original Greek writings is pascha, correctly rendered “Passover” in later translations. In fact, though pascha is found twenty-nine times in the New Testament, it is only rendered as “Easter” once, even in the KJV.

Do you know why you are here today?? Christians (meaning members of the church of Christ) are not told to nor authorized to celebrate “Easter” as a special annual event acknowledging the resurrection of Christ anywhere in God’s Word. Faithful children of God reflect upon the Savior’s resurrection every Sunday (when Christ arose from the grave – John chapter 20) as they gather to worship God in the regular assembly of the church (Acts 20:7).

We ought to be glad, however, that multitudes – usually caught up in pursuits more material than spiritual – will take at least some time for reflection upon the event of the Savior’s resurrection even though they don’t understand the real meaning of what they celebrate and are doing so in vain. And I am glad that it happens…why? It is entirely appropriate that Christians take advantage of this circumstance; we should be both willing and able to explain to our friends – at least those who have some reverence for Christ – the significance of the Lord’s resurrection.

Yet, there is a fact that I have noticed about memorials. I wonder if you have noticed that same fact. As long as people are living whose lives actually touched the events or the people of the events, the gratitude is alive and strong. But one generation later the significance of the memorial begins to fade. It is then easy for the memorial to become a ritual without meaning. In time, it is easy for the meaningless ritual to become a habit, then a neglected habit. Is that the way our worship services have become for some of us?? "

...and thoughts??
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...so I can't say that "I wrote it" like that...see what I mean? I added certain scriptures and put some of my own thoughts in...so it is really from MANY brothers in the church.
We learn from Acts 8 and the Eunuch that Christianity is a learned religion. I'm sure that none of us can say we got our material wholly from our own interpretation of Scripture. We just thank the Lord for blessing us with excellent teachers and the ability to pass on the knowledge.

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