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Don Gelles · #**101** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I suppose atheist would be accurate. But then I don't think the term would paint a clear picture of who I am...

Why do you say "I suppose.." don't you know what you are? Are you not able to tell others what you are?

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I look at "god" as a state of consciousness we can all attain or at least tap into. And we should all strive for. Almost like an avatar or a bodhisattva.

So... if you are a bodhisattv, what are you trying to save me from? Who says I need to be saved? How did I become lost? What is it to be lost? Who set the "rules" for how one can come to be lost and how one can be saved?

Please teach me how to be saved......

Kindly,
Don

Burgon'sGhost · #**102** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marianinark

I am sooo glad that has been cleared up! I thought we had a troll here.

No trolls here Sister Marian. Only ghosts ...

Well and maybe a few wanna-be Jedis...

Don Gelles · #**103** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgon'sGhost

Well and maybe a few wanna-be Jedis...

Yoda: "The Jedi doubt you do...yes....much fear this one has he....much fear. Teach you will I the way of the Jedi...yes teach you will I....."

Kindly,
Master Jedi Yoda

P.S.
Using Don's account was I to post this.

Burgon'sGhost · #**104** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Gelles

That material is from Ed Wharton. He is an excellent teacher. He specializes in training preachers. I have every single book the guy has written. You can also get some of his material right off the internet, as I did with the post you liked.

I know I have many of his works myself and the privilege of meeting him. He was up for a meeting in the area not 18 months ago. I have not only his works, but Will Durant, FF Bruce, & HG Wells. Always trace/check your references ... know what movie that comes from ol' Jedi?

BG aka Sophia's Papa

Don Gelles · #**105** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgon'sGhost

I know I have many of his works myself and the privilege of meeting him. He was up for a meeting in the area not 18 months ago. I have not only his works, but Will Durant, FF Bruce, & HG Wells. Always trace/check your reference ... know what movie that comes from ol' Jedi?

BG aka Sophia's Papa

Wharton plagiarizes all three!

Bruce steals from H.G. Wells!

Burgon'sGhost · #**106** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Rasberry

Yessssss...Don...you are right...the force of the cheese is strong with this one...

Trust me BG, this is a compliment. I was the only one in Don's life that was able to crack the mystery meaning behind what he was referring to when he would say "I like cheese" out of the blue.....Can you crack the code?

Well owing that I am a "above average bear" in the world of Cartoons, I would say a prefer Bloo over Cheese.

Am I even close?

BG

Don Gelles · #**107** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgon'sGhost

Well owing that I am a "above average bear" in the world of Cartoons, I would say a prefer Bloo over Cheese.

Am I even close?

BG

Yes you are!

Yoda: Pass the test have you. No be known forever more as Master Jedi Plasmosis

Welcome to the Jedi Council Master Plasmosis.....

Marianinark · #**108** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Gelles

Yes you are!

Yoda: Pass the test have you. No be known forever more as Master Jedi Plasmosis

Welcome to the Jedi Council Master Plasmosis.....

I haven't the vaguest idea what you guys are talking about!!

What do I need to google to find out?

I am of a differant generation , ya know......

Steven Rasberry · #**109** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgon'sGhost

Well owing that I am a "above average bear" in the world of Cartoons, I would say a prefer Bloo over Cheese.

Am I even close?

BG

Sweeet....

...the force is gaining power....We have found another...

Next test....who gave us the most useful word in the English language? What word is it, who gave it?

And what is the grammatical break down of the word for the 1000 pt jedi bonus?

Don Gelles · #**110** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I know what I am. However, I also understand other people ignorance on certain topics. I have yet to meet a religious person who as any idea of what an atheist is. On top of that, I think labels are stupid, and do little justice do define a person, simply out of these cultural ignorances that have been associated with them. I'm not saying anyone here lacks understanding in this area. However, I have come to expect it. So I attempted to make it easier for you.

I am curious though, why people here seem rather obsessed with ignorantly labeling other people things. Sounds rather strange and counter-productive...

I am not trying to save you from anything.
Only Protestants and Catholics, as far as I know...

Well, you have to ask yourself those questions. I don't know you well enough to make those judgements. Furthermore, the answers to fixing one's self are subjective to the individual...

I'm sorry. I don't know what you need to be saved from. Perhaps you can tell me what ails you?

If you can not answer these questions then you should not make reference to yourself as being a bodhisattv. That is a rather odd thing to be if one is an atheist. In fact, why in the world would you ever come to a site such as this if one is not in need of being saved? I think it is you that does not understand us.

I agree with you on one thing... I have yet to meet an atheist that knows what an atheists is. On this we agree.

Kindly,
Don

Don Gelles · #**111** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I never said Jesus wasn't an historical character. It's just not likely that he was. There is almost no evidence for it.

That's not what you said in an earlier post.....

There is no historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth. However, that does not mean it's not a good story. With value. Enough that religions have been based off of it

I gave you 10 examples of historical evidence for Jesus and you simply refuse them. Yet, you accept the other things these same men write on others. That's an odd logic. But to each his own.

Kindly,
Don

Don Gelles · #**112** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I'm sorry. I don't know what you need to be saved from. Perhaps you can tell me what ails you?

OK, let me rephrase the question. Teach me to be what you ascribe to be.

How do I become an atheist? Teach me.

You mean to tell me that you are "something" that another person can not be? You hold to "things" that no other person can hold to? Teach me to be what you are......

Kindly,
Don

Don Gelles · #**113** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I never said Jesus wasn't an historical character. It's just not likely that he was. There is almost no evidence for it.

So you are saying that Josephus was a fool. That when he wrote he was wrong that Jesus was a real person. He was recording nothing but a "story of a fictional person" when he wrote on the history of the Jews.

So help me.... what other fictional characters in his works did he write about and fail to mention in his writings that they were fictional?

Kindly,
Don

Don Gelles · #**114** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

Are you confusing me with someone else? Because it was not I that ever said such things.

Here is what you said: I look at "god" as a state of consciousness we can all attain or at least tap into. And we should all strive for. Almost like an avatar or a bodhisattva.

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

That's an odd statement. ALL bodhisattva's are atheists. But as I said, it was not I that claimed that.

See above. You say all bodhisattv's are atheists yet they try to "save" people. Save them from what?

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

I did not know this site was strictly for those looking for salvation from something. I suppose I'll have to review the rules here. But if that is the case, that sounds very ignorant and closed-minded.

The name of the forum should have told you that "Bible Truth Forum". The Bible teaches that all are lost and all are in need of salvation: (Romans 6:23 / Acts 4:12)

If you see the need to be in a saved relationship with God through Christ (Romans 5:6-11) as being ignorant and closed-minded, then yes, we are EXTREMELY ignorant and close-minded.

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

How is that agreeing with me, when I stated just the opposite?

Well, like so many of the things you say, you either forget that you said it or argue that what was said was not understood.

You still have not helped me.... teach me how to be an atheist.

Kindly,
Donald

Don Gelles · #**115** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 08:28 PM

Abdullah,

What do you hope to accomplish by being on this site?

Why have you come here if you do not believe in the need to be saved from your sins through the blood of Jesus Christ?

Why come to a "Bible Forum" where this is going to be taught?

Kindly,
Don

D. White · #**116** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 09:07 PM

I will ask you straight out...

Abdullah, what is it that you believe?

D. White · #**117** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 10:10 PM

You stated...I do not believe I mentioned anything from them. Other than I disagreed that they are an authoritative source for the historicity of Jesus. That's all.

So what is then? And I am still waiting for an answer to my previous question?? And this one...do you believe in any form of supreme being?

D. White · #**118** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 10:16 PM

If one wishes to learn then by all means...learn, but I for one have never wanted the "layman" not to read the Bible. And now? Laymen have grown...spiritiually...through education from the Bible.

Maybe you have heard of the Bereans?? Anyone that came to them with something was reasoned with study to see if what they said was true? Same here...if you come here trying to say anything, we will see if what you say is true or not.

D. White · #**119** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah

Very simply- to do good to others.

Why? What will it profit you?

D. White · #**120** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 10:25 PM

As far as doing good to others...who are you to know what is good and what is not good? What if someone cosdiered it good to beat you up and steal your car? Where is your authority to prove that what they did was evil to you?

Wow, you can't explain somethings, huh? Then I await for your proof that there is nothing.

And by saying that you are open to things, are you saying that you are open to God or not?

D. White · #**121** (**permalink**) 10-11-08, 10:26 PM

By the way, your burrito is now a part of you...so it still is here!