All the JW MacGarvey Stuff is PD.

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Butch Adams
Blue Ridge, VA
http://daleridgechurchofchrist.net
http://mydailypause.org

I am looking into Harold Littrell's commentary. I have a call into those working with it. He wrote a commentary on the English Bible.

I think it would be awesome to have a Study Bible with church of Christ commentary.

As long as everyone keeps in mind that commentary is commentary. I for one do not want a "study bible" because all too often people over time begin to grant the same authority to the commentary as they do the Bible. Why? Because it's printed on the same paper. I like to keep commentaries separate for that reason. However, having a commentary as one of the many tools within a Bible software package, where I can lay out multiple translations, the Greek and multiple commentaries is having a virtual library at my fingertips!

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--Laura

O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
Jeremiah 10:23 (NKJV)

I used to dismiss that view until I had a look at Max Lucado's study/devotional Bible. It has a bunch of marginal notes through out the text. I was blown away when thumbed by 1 Cor 12 and a full page had been inserted with his "devotional" that prepared the mind to accept the idea of denominational unity.

Talk about your basic Rev 22:18-19 problem.

Now I just look for plain Bibles when I shop for one.

...b

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Butch Adams
Blue Ridge, VA
http://daleridgechurchofchrist.net
http://mydailypause.org

Agreed. It needs to be like a study. For too long those trying to make their publication unique, for sales reasons, transgress or at minimum present ideas that confuse and introduce ideas that are just plain stretches or false and add to the fire of false teaching. This needs to be purely a study guide along with plenty of cross referencing relative BCV of why and how each verse works within the bounderies of the chapter, book and context.

All I know is that whenever I have used study Bibles, the commentary about being saved is wrong. The commentators view baptism as an outward sign for an inward grace and is not necessary to come into contact with the redeeming blood of Christ. Another thing is that these commentators push is a milennial view of Revelation and the idea of a coming Anti-christ. This is disheartening and wrong! I value study Bibles for archeological and geographical information as well as any pertinent cultural information related to the text in order to come to a better understanding. It would be a good thing for an accurate and conservative Biblical commentary in a Study Bible. Perhaps an article about CENI would help a great deal too.

Good to have your input in the discussion and the forum Craig. You are correct. One thing I think is different about us is that we as a group are not drunk on scholarship or money. This will be free to all and all about God, to His glory.

If people want a bound copy, it might cost something but only for the binding. I know of a few places that can do that and do a really nice job for a great price.

I know I am shooting way ahead in time but I just want us to keep in mind where this could go. It will be unique in these ways.

We are blessed to have software and code-ers in the brethren who can help us "dreamers", who may have faith to climb mountains, but they have the tools to help us get over it.

Let's take this mustard seed and grow a tree from it. We can plant it right on top of the mountain God moved for us for our faith in Him.

Hey guys,
I have heard from them and they are interested. I am to put together an overview of what we would like to do and present it to their group for consideration.

It is a good possibility we will get permission for this. This would make for a good start if this works out.

The commentaries consist of nine volumes: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Paul's Letters VOL I (Romans through Colossians), Paul's Letters and Hebrews VOL II (I Thessalonians through Hebrews), General Letters (James through Jude), and Revelation as well as Genesis through Deuteronomy.

He died before he could finish the OT in 2001.

Cool!

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Butch Adams
Blue Ridge, VA
http://daleridgechurchofchrist.net
http://mydailypause.org

Yes, it is VERY cool. God is great!

I sent inquiries to the following Bible software vendors (there are a TON) inquiring about OSIS support.

PC Study Bible
QuickVerse
LOGOS
The Bible Library
SwordSearcher
BibleWorks
Nelson's e-Bible
Thompson's WORDsearch Bible
Zondervan's NIV Study Bible
Accordance Bible Software (MacIntosh)

If anyone has a different "favorite" package, let me know and I'll try to track them down as well.

I already heard back from SwordSearcher. They do not support OSIS and have no plans at present to do so. I suspect all will give the same answer. They each have their proprietary libraries and really don't want to share. So... There are existing coverters for a few formats. The rest will either have to go without or someone will have to write translators. From OSIS as a source, we can convert to Sword Module format. From there, we can convert to STEP, which at least e-Sword and QuickVerse will read. That covers three Bible packages. There are a few other odd formats, and I'm not sure if anyone uses those.

I have been able to get some of the converters to work and am continuing to try and understand exactly how they work and the process that must be followed to successfully write a commentary or other work, import to these packages, and actually use.

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--Laura

O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
Jeremiah 10:23 (NKJV)

Great progress, you rock sister!

You are welcome to use my stuff on Revelation.

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"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him." 1 John 3:18-19

The church of Christ at Granby

Ya'll will have to work out some things beforehand or you'll have trouble. The thing bout a commentary is that there are going to be differences in what people believe about different passages. A commentary project was started in the PF years ago and it fell on its face due to disagreements on text. Better figure out a way to deal with it now so you'll be ready when it happens.

Takes a lot of discipline to collaborate and work collectively on a commentary. That is why you see so many more single author commentaries. Single authors don't have anyone to argue with.

It would be great to have one available, free online for everyone. If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion. There are lots of commentaries out there. Try and think of something that will make this one unique in its field so that it will become the primary source people look to for a certain thing.

What about....... a commentary specifically focused on providing the necessary cross references and study tools to counter denominationalism? Take the proof texts used by denominationals to support their teachings and show where and why they are false.

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"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him." 1 John 3:18-19

The church of Christ at Granby

thanks Robert. Means alot comin from truth warriors such as yourself. I have been woefully behind on my lessons because of the lectureship. My class is completely caught up with me now and I'm under the gun to keep ahead of them. I got a class of teenage Christians that can stand toe to toe with bout anybody on Revelation. I'm pretty proud of them.

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"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him." 1 John 3:18-19

The church of Christ at Granby

Thanks David!

We will make this work, God willing. I personally will not let the failure of some disagreements by others cause God's work to not be done. Meanwhile the denom world is pumping their trash out like crazy. God will provide.

We thought we would keep it simple, like the primary possible options a verse could mean and leave it at that. Your idea is very interesting. Maybe it can be, like you say, a cross reference to a back section to each book that has the primary false teachings (supposed proof texts) listed and the scriptures to show why they are false. Is that how you see it? It would add a very comprehensive aspect to the work.

I don't know ... some folks here, like Don, um Duz, er... I mean Daz make me wonder.

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--Laura

O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
Jeremiah 10:23 (NKJV)

I really like this idea!!!

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--Laura

O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
Jeremiah 10:23 (NKJV)

I do as well. That is something we should really consider.

We are uniquely qualified as a group to do this also since we are literally on the cutting edge of refuting false teaching these days.

If the work is to be widely used then it must be unique. In order to be unique, it must fill a gap in the available brotherhood material. As far as published commentary type material on how to fight denominationalism and how to seek unity in the word, there is not so much a gap, as there is a gaping hole.

If not denominationalism then consider a restoration commentary with a minor emphasis on denominationalism. There are lots of options available. The important thing is to clearly define your goal, evaluate your resources, formulate a plan, execute and persevere.

Right now, the goal needs to be defined. What do you want this to be when it's finished? What purpose do you want it to serve? Is the wheel being re-invented? Are we spending a ton of time on something that already exists? How can we make this unique, or better than what is out there now.

Just some thoughts off the top of my head. Take them for what they're worth.

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"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him." 1 John 3:18-19

The church of Christ at Granby

These are some excellent thoughts you've shared David.

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Butch Adams
Blue Ridge, VA
http://daleridgechurchofchrist.net
http://mydailypause.org

The first step was to see if we could find the platform to put a commentary into. This is the first big step and there seems to be some great headway.

This is all of our project to the Glory of God. What I mean is, we need all the input we can and from it formulate what the end product will be.

No matter what we do, I know it will be somewhat unique compared to the vast amount of corrupted materials presently being circulated.

As children of God, we are just unusual that way.