We'll ignore your first comment and get down to your misunderstanding of the Scriptures. I deleted it because it breaks our Forum Rules, which you should read prior to posting again. Thank you.

Secondly... we are encouraging the lost to study and learn the truth... to quit listening to false teachers. If they listen to you... they will no doubt be lost.

You are ignoring a lot of Scripture that has been presented. If you would like to respond, please do so appropriately and respond to each passage quoted above. You are leaving out most of it and picking and choosing what you would like to respond to in an attempt to support your own man-made doctrine. This is a deceiving tactic used by many false teachers and those who do not fully understand the Scriptures. We do not allow such here in this forum.

You assume since John 3:16 and John 3:18 do not mention baptism, it therefore is not required. So, does that mean Jesus lied when he told Nicodemus that in order to enter the kingdom of heaven one must be born of water and the spirit? (John 3:3-5)

Since John 3:16 and John 3:18 do not mention repentance, does that mean it is not necessary? Luke 13:3, 5 and Acts 17:30.

Since John 3:16 and John 3:18 do not mention confessing Jesus, does that mean it is not necessary? Mathew 10:32, 33

Since John 3:16 and John 3:18 do not mention remaining faithful unto death, does that mean we do not have to remain faithful? Revelation 2:10

Your argument there is totally insufficient to support your claims.

Furthermore you offer no Scriptural proof to support your comment that I have mistaken water baptism for spiritual baptism, of which John says both are required. Please provide Scriptural proof to support your claims. I have clearly provided Scriptural proof that water baptism is required.

You might consider reading "all" of what John wrote, not just two verses...



You conveniently left out verse 34 I see. Another nice try at deception, but it won't work.

Act 16:34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.

Notice that they were considered to have believed in God after they were baptized, not before.



That's about one of the oldest arguments I have heard and any English teacher will give you a lesson that your grammar is lacking in your understanding of that passage. None the less, we don't need an English teacher to clearly see the truth.

First of all, believing is a prerequisite to baptism... one must first believe before he can be baptized and the baptism be of any effect. Therefore, if a person does not believe, he is condemned whether he is baptized or not. There is no need for Jesus to write it or say it. Besides... He had already stated who would be saved... those who believe and are baptized. Either you agree with Jesus or you don't.

No one is arguing "what" saves us. I am very aware that the blood of Christ is what saves us. The question is "when" are we saved?

See... you will probably say we are saved when we pray to God and accept Jesus into our heart, which you won't be able to provide any Scripture to support your man-made doctrine.

I will say what the Scripture teaches us... we are saved when we are baptized in water. This is when we come in contact with the blood of Christ.

The Scripture that will support this is:

Matthew 28:18-20
Mark 16:15-16
John 3:3-5
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:36-38
Romans 6:3-5

Please explain your understanding of each passage above and then answer this question:

What does, "...baptism does also now save us" mean in 1 Peter 3:18-22?

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brother Sonnie

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus says the LORD: "Stand in the ways and see, And ask for the old paths, where the good way is, And walk in it; Then you will find rest for your souls. But they said, 'We will not walk in it.'