Well this has went on for a few days now and after presenting the plan of salvation I get these kind of responses:
forum member Linda: If Baptism with water were a certain mandatory then the thief on the cross wouldn't have made it to paradise? Or is it that God made that "one" exception for that "one" time in history to confound us all? I reckon that counts out parapelegics (spelling), from heaven. Not to mention those in hospitals, prisons, deathbeds, etc. that decide to ask for forgiveness. I can hear God now on judgment day, "Oopsie, your heart was right but you just didn't take time to schedule a baptism and you know how I am about symbolism"

Sometimes I don't think that that those verses mean water baptism at all. I think they might mean Holy Ghost Baptism. They don't say either or or ? I do believe the thief is in paradise. And the boyfriend surely wasn't baptized while hanging on a cross in a crowd of folks there for the sport of watching people die???
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Luke, 3:16


from The Pale Horse (he attends the same congration I attend and contributes to the forum too): The thief on the cross died under the old law. Baptism in the name of Christ falls under the new law. That new law/New Testament(last will and testament of Christ) did not go into effect until after the death of Christ. Paul parallels baptism to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ in Romas 6:3-6.

Well, currently I am accused of discrediting True native American and condemning others to hell to which I have made the response:


I just present scripture and have compared it to what has been said by others. If that gives one the impression I despise or hate someone them I am sorry that that is the impression that is given. If something taught does not agree with scripture and if I'm wrong I want to be sure and study more and search the scriptures. People have their own views about how to get to heaven and most base it on what they hear, but not what they read. The problem comes about "well my pastor says this" or "my deacon says this" and so on. People have to search the scripture themself. I can't say that I'm totally right, search the scripture yourself. See what it says. It's the word og God that really matters not my opinion. What I've experienced and what I hope to pass along is a challenge to others to really rely on scripture more than what some minister, pastor, reverend, or even preist says. What is said concerning scripture helps me to study more and seek the truth. I don't know everything the Bible says or where all scripture is located, but i am a student of the Bible and plan to be until I die. I can't condemn anyone to hell wheather if be a pastor, or someone who identifies with a specific denomination or sect. All I can do is present scripture concerning certain subjects. I can only show where it is, but I can't say that "yse, so and so is going to hell because they aren't/are doing this." I'm sorry if it appears if I am being the judge where they spend eternity. I'm not. I'm only pointing out what the scripture says concerning these matters.