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Originally Posted by and so be saved  What the son of God did on the cross was completely/utterly sufficient that every human being on earth would have salvation AVAILABLE to them (Luke 3:6, it takes great faith to trust that the crucifixion was sufficient and that "law" and self effort cannot ADD anything). |
Yes it takes great faith but faith withouit works is dead. Inspiration teaches we are not justified by faith only. James 2:24-26. One cannot build a doctrine that excludes any of what inspiration teaches. Such a doctrine is a manmade one.
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If we do the works of God (John 6:28 and 29), we will REST in The Lord that He did everything that needs to be done to have salvation available to us
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Jesus did His part. Now we have to do ours. Jesus is the author of salvation unto all them who obey Him. (Hebrews 5:9).
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(of course, we want to receive living water baptism of God's spirit, John 7:38, Revelation 7:16) so we "neither thirst" (this is the water that also flowed from Christ's side at the cross) and have our conscience purified also (Hebrews 9:14) and learn the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) and the "better things" that belong to salvation (Hebrews 6:9).
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Of course we want to tarry not, arise and be baptized into Christ (Gal 3:27, Romans 6:3) for the remission of our sins, (Acts 2:38; 22:16). There is no salvation outside of Christ therefore baptism is necessary for salvation.
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We have to trust that both the law of commandments and the law of N.T. commands/ordinances were abolished by what Jesus did, and that He wants us to live under the law of liberty.
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Ye do greatly err. The law of liberty is the law of the NT. It is called the law of faith (Romans 3:27); The law of Christ (Galatians 6:2); the law of the Spirit of life (Romans 8:2). Regardless of what it is referred to in different passages, NT law is a rule of conduct all Christians must observe if they hope to inherit eternal life. The words of Jesus:
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The Jesus you claim to believe in said those words. How can you claim to have faith in Jesus Christ yet reject what He plainly said? You are going to be judged by the words Jesus Christ uttered (John 12:48). While I agree that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was sufficient to bring about our salvation, that does in no way mean we have no obligations to Him.
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Jesus is our foundation/cornerstone. We must not set a foundation of our own with any self-works (self effort),...because then, repentance in Christ becomes impossible (Hebrews 6:4).
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This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Repentance is a sorrow of heart that leads one to a change of behavior. Under no circumstances whatover does our obedience to God's nullify our ability to repent.
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The Lord's judgement is always just, He is not going to be unjust and overlook this apostasy of ignoring the sufficiency of what He did on the cross.
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It is apostasy for someone to seek to be obedient to God and serve Him? What Bible did you get that out of? It sure isn't the one I study.
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 2:4-5
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar , and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
We do not ignore what Jesus did on the Cross by a life of faithful service. That is how we honor His sacrifice. Our obedient service glorifies God before the world.
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Jesus also left His spirit for us to learn from so that if we learn the "sword of the spirit" (Ephesians 6:17) and the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10), then we will have the "guarantee" (2 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5, Ephesians 1:14).
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He sure did. And it's written down for us to read in the holy scriptures by inspiration and obey the word of God. Our assurance is guaranteed with our obedience. 1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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In Jesus is "the WHOLE fullness of God" (Colossians 2:9) and we have already been justified IN CHRIST (1 Corinthians 6:11, Galatians 2:16 and 17).
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Only if one is "in Christ" and "walking in the light" which means living faithfully. See 1 John 1:7. Living faithfully is how we maintain our fellowship with God.
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We simply have to "walk by THE SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25), not by faith, "the GREATEST of these" (1 Corinthians 13:13) for a "more excellent" devotion (1 Corinthians 12:31).
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Walking by the Spirit means living faithfully according to the word of God.
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Our goodness should be of our own freewill (Philemon verse 14) and we should know Him as "Abba Father", not 'master'/taskmaster (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6) so that we can be a "friend of God", not slave/servant (James 2:23).
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You would use James 2:23 to try and set forth a doctrine of salvation by faith only? I cannot think of a time when I have seen a verse of scripture used more out of context than that.
First of all, you are absolutely right that we should obey God from the heart. In fact scripture commands it.
Romans 6:17-18
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but
ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But you somehow think that to diligently try and live faithfully somehow automatically means we don't want to. Such is not the case. I doubt anyone here in the forum serves Christ out of drudgery. I certainly don't. I cherish my service in the kingdom of Christ and I constantly look for opportunity to do more. Why? Because I love Him.
You seem to think the commandments of Christ are something to take or leave as you see fit. You claim to have this great faith that He will save you but you do not have faith in what He says you have to do. You are ignoring that altogether.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Friend, you better back up and read the whole New Testament. You have cherry picked through the scriptures and built yourself a doctrine here that does not encompass all of what scripture has to say.
I know a cookie cutter post when I see one and that is exactly what this was. You need to stop and ask questions and see what is to be learned here. You might find out that you have been missing something all along.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.