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Originally Posted by Steven  For one, in 2 Cor. 12 - Paul did not go to third heaven. He knew a man that did.
Secondly, the sky is called the heavens, space is also called the heavens and the spiritual realm is also called the heavens.. When Jesus went into heaven, which direction did He go? Somewhere in this journey, somehow, the spirit realm is entered. Paul did not know if this man who was taken up was in the flesh or not but only that he was taken up.
You say these things like you know for sure but RJ, you are speaking with no foundation or truth. This is troubling since this kind of broad teaching can get you into trouble.
You have to back up your thoughts with scripture and keep them in the proper context.
It is very clear that judgment happen after Jesus returns and we meet him in the sky. During this time, the righteous are in paradise and the unrighteous are in torment. How do we know this? Well because Jesus has not returned yet. |
Stephen: Most scholars say Paul is speaking of himself in 2Cor. and doing so
because he does not want to build himself up before people. 14 yrs ago would
place Paul in Lystra on his 1st journey, where he was stoned and left for dead.
Then getting up he walked back into the city where they just stoned him, having
the courage to do so because he just came back from heaven.
Our sky is called the 1st heaven, the universe the 2nd heaven and God’s throne
room, heaven, is the third heaven.
I am confident that what I have said is the truth and everything is backed up
with scriptures. To hum and haw, maybe or possibly, is not what God calls us
to do, 2Tim.1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power and of love
and of a sound mind.
Judgment happens the day you die. Lk.16 the rich man is in torment and Lazarus
is in Paradise, with a chasm in between which no one can cross. In fact judgment
begins with us here and now, 1Pe.4:17
Going into the what if’s is what started the restoration movement, a movement
which is not dead but on going. Not trying to figure out God’s word is what ails
the church today. thinking we have unlocked all the texts and understand all
there is stifles growth.
You say I am misusing scriptures, out of context, but you don’t show how I am,
nor give the correct use. I do have knowledge, I am a student of God’s word, and
the authority I have comes from the name of Jesus.
If we err, we can repent and move on, but if we haven’t tried, we bury our talent
under a rock.
RJ Mac