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Old 03-25-08, 09:59 PM
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Re: Heaven and Hell - Is This True?

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Originally Posted by RJ Mac View Post

Paradise is no longer in hades, see 2Cor.12:2-4 Paul was taken to the 3rd heaven, the throne room of God which he also calls Paradise. Eph.4:8; Jesus took Paradise into heaven once His blood was shed now sin was forgiven and the spirits of men could enter into heaven. Now some will argue there must be more than one paradise, I believe there is but one Paradise and Paul tells us where it is now. There are no righteous souls in Hades because Jesus has taken them to heaven with Him and when we die we are judged, in the blood or not, if not your in hades if you are your in heaven.

RJ Mac

For one, in 2 Cor. 12 - Paul did not go to third heaven. He knew a man that did.

Secondly, the sky is called the heavens, space is also called the heavens and the spiritual realm is also called the heavens.. When Jesus went into heaven, which direction did He go? Somewhere in this journey, somehow, the spirit realm is entered. Paul did not know if this man who was taken up was in the flesh or not but only that he was taken up.

You say these things like you know for sure but RJ, you are speaking with no foundation or truth. This is troubling since this kind of broad teaching can get you into trouble.

You have to back up your thoughts with scripture and keep them in the proper context.

It is very clear that judgment happen after Jesus returns and we meet him in the sky. During this time, the righteous are in paradise and the unrighteous are in torment. How do we know this? Well because Jesus has not returned yet.

During the judgment all man will be before God, separated, one into heaven and the other into the lake of fire, along with the devil and his angels. It is that simple. Going into what ifs and effort to somehow figure out something new that others have not will only get you into hot water with God. It can easily become false teaching since you speak as if you have knowledge and authority but give nothing to back it up except mis-used scriptures and miss applied contexts.

Please be more careful to stick with the contexts and proper usage. I appreciate your zeal but I want to encourage you to walk more cautiously cause that snake (reasoning) will bite you.
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